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Offline Minos

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Otacilia Severa Portrait OTD
« on: July 28, 2008, 04:19:22 pm »
Wouldn't want that Pietas to slap me in the face :laugh:

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Re: Otacilia Severa Portrait OTD
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2008, 04:56:09 pm »
Before we get caught up in that hand, may I say that his is the nicest Otacilia portrait that I can remember seeing.  Pat L.

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Re: Otacilia Severa Portrait OTD
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2008, 05:43:13 pm »
It is a very nice portrait.  I am NOT going to say anything about that hand!  George Spradling
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Re: Otacilia Severa Portrait OTD
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2008, 05:55:14 pm »
Before we get caught up in that hand

Yes, her left hand is noticeably tiny, isn't it ;)

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Re: Otacilia Severa Portrait OTD
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2008, 11:19:19 pm »
Pietas lost her right arm in a temple accident - this is her new artifical arm - the rare "Prosthesis of Pietas". Sorry.

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Re: Otacilia Severa Portrait OTD
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2008, 12:53:05 am »
I think this coin clearly shows that the Romans invented the puffy foam hand.

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Re: Otacilia Severa Portrait OTD
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2008, 01:06:30 am »
It shows that the "three fingers" technique used in almost all modern animations was invented much earlier than I thought.
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Re: Otacilia Severa Portrait OTD
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2008, 09:13:18 am »
On this antoninianus the arm of Pietas is also quite awkward.

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Re: Otacilia Severa Portrait OTD
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2008, 01:48:28 pm »
Hi,

This Otacilia portrait is fantastic.

On this antoninianus the arm of Pietas is also quite awkward.

And so is the right arm of Valentinianus on the reverse of this AE2 :

AE2 struck in Constantinople, 4th officina
D N VALENTINIANVS P F AVG, Helmeted, diademed, cuirassed bust of Valentinian, holding spear in right hand
GLORIA RO-MANORUM, Valentinain standing on a galley, driven by a victory, Wreath in field, CON delta at exergue
4.93 gr
Ref : Cohen #22, RC #4161, LRBC #2151

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Re: Otacilia Severa Portrait OTD
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2008, 03:21:39 pm »
Hi @Potator,

Maybe a strange idea, but could'nt that be a gauntlet ? It's a legionary..

See Google images, eg http://images.google.nl/images?um=1&hl=nl&q=Roman+armour+gauntlets

For me this is speculatoin. Only medieval examples, I actually don't know if these large metal gloves existed in Roman times, or were part of (Gladiator) armour (?)

Of course Pietas does not wear armour. As for Otacilia above, I found references in CoinArchives that Pietas holds a perfume bottle in her right hand.

This is not an attribution (reverse lettering differs)  but this coin shows a similar ''hand'', the French author of the description refers to it as a bottle of incense. The elongated shaped incense bottle is standing upright in the hand, seems to be a finger.


Dupondius. Similaire au précédent, le buste sur un croissant. Rv. PIETAS AVGVSTAE / S-C Pietas, vêtue d'un chiton long, debout de face, la tête voilée tournée à g.; de la gauche, elle tient une boîte à encens, la droite est levée. 8,20 g. RIC 94, 205c. C. 33. Rare

Source of the image: Hess 2007

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Re: Otacilia Severa Portrait OTD
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2008, 05:51:56 pm »
Hi @Potator,

Maybe a strange idea, but could'nt that be a gauntlet ? It's a legionary..

Hi Goodies,

Might be, I don't know. Probably specialists here could say....

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Re: Otacilia Severa Portrait OTD
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2008, 06:33:45 pm »
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   “Maybe a strange idea, but could'nt that be a gauntlet ? It's a legionary..

   I’m not one of those ‘specialists,’ but –
 
   I’m pretty sure gauntlets are much later – Medieval – 12th or 13th century, and introduced as a full-fledged ‘gloved’ gauntlet when working in strong and fine enough chain-mail made it practicable – and using heavy slashing weapons or lances was the norm.
 
  Even if Romans could have worked out practicable ‘gloves’ in chain-mail, I somehow find it hard to imagine being anything but a hindrance using the gladius.
 
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Re: Otacilia Severa Portrait OTD
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2008, 06:41:12 pm »
Pietas merely raises her right hand, and holds the open box of incense in her LEFT hand, as the French description correctly says.
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Re: Otacilia Severa Portrait OTD
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2008, 09:38:23 pm »
A very lovely portrait, and a very interesting hand.   :)

 

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