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Postumus bronze with RESTITOR GALLIAP
« on: June 22, 2006, 10:50:05 am »
Postumus Dupondius (?), after 260 AD, Atelier II.
Obv: IMP C M CASS LAT POSTVMVS AG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right.
Rev: RESTITOR GALLIAP, Postumus standing, holding sceptre and raising helmeted Gaul who is kneeling before him.
23 mm, 5.71 g
Bastien 353 (same dies), RIC 225

The coin has a nice turquoise patina, but because of its worn devices, I had to photograph it with sidewise artificial lighting, so the pic does not show the true colours. Also, the coin is slightly bent, that's why the lower part of the reverse is darker on the pic.

A rare coin, I believe, though Bastien lists several examples from these dies. Does anybody know more coins of this type?

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Re: Postumus bronze with RESTITOR GALLIAP
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2006, 07:50:20 am »
Hi Lars,
Certainly not a common type and not a type that I have an example of though I have seen the odd one crop up every now and then. Nice find  :)
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Re: Postumus bronze with RESTITOR GALLIAP
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2006, 10:17:17 am »
Hello,

In my collection, I have a very similar coin.

The obverse legend is different :  IMP C POSTVMVS P F AVG but the reverse is from the same die than your coin for me. This is  the Bastien 352.

Like your coin, the patina is turquoise. Because of the particular alloy used in the bronze ?  Theses coins were attributed by Mr Bastien to the famous "Atelier II" (or mint II in english) , sculptor  18.

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Re: Postumus bronze with RESTITOR GALLIAP
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2006, 10:52:33 am »
Thanks for your replies, guys! Here is another coin from the same dies, forwarded to me by Faramir (I hope he does not mind me posting the pics hiere).

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Re: Postumus bronze with RESTITOR GALLIAP
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2006, 08:55:34 am »
Two more examples. CGB rates the coin as RR (sold for 250 Euros).

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Re: Postumus bronze with RESTITOR GALLIAP
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2006, 02:05:18 pm »
Another example.

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Re: Postumus bronze with RESTITOR GALLIAP
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2006, 11:37:05 am »
This coin arrived today.

20mm, 4.5 g

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Re: Postumus bronze with RESTITOR GALLIAP
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2006, 07:27:33 am »
Unfortunately I found out, that my coin is an ordenary cast fake. It has a clearly visible cast-seam.

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Re: Postumus bronze with RESTITOR GALLIAP
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2006, 01:36:53 pm »
If your Postumus bronze is a cast does not necessarily mean that it is a modern fake.
It looks like that some of the smaller, later "Atelier II"-issues had been cast officially.

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Re: Postumus bronze with RESTITOR GALLIAP
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2006, 01:46:51 pm »
Sebastian reposted the coin in the Forgery section, where it has already been rehabilitated as, probably, an ancient not modern cast imitation.
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Re: Postumus bronze with RESTITOR GALLIAP
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2006, 10:09:57 am »
My second speciemen arrived yesterday  :) It is also a cast sestertius from the same "dies" , but interestingly it has a bigger diameter and is nearly twice as heavy as my other speciemen (8g)

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Re: Postumus bronze with RESTITOR GALLIAP
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2007, 05:09:28 am »
The last one now spreads its tent in my collection. The extension of the casting sprue across the obverse looks deliberately cut, presumably to facilitate the flow of metal. it doesn't appear on any ofht other examples in the thread, so it's not a regular feature, though it could be present on the reverse of Faramir's first coin (I'm not sure from the scan); has anyone seen any other cast coins of this era with it? The only problem, of course, is the hideous encrustation. That, though, looks as though it's probably removable.
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Re: Postumus bronze with RESTITOR GALLIAP
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2007, 07:57:20 am »
One from my collection
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Re: Postumus bronze with RESTITOR GALLIAP
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2007, 10:31:34 am »
Is that struck on a cast flan? It looks that way from the pic, but I wouldn't want to swear to it. Mine is surely a simple casting; if a variety of techniques were used for a single type, that would be interesting.
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Re: Postumus bronze with RESTITOR GALLIAP
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2007, 10:42:25 am »
Faramir, if you still have the first specimen, could you have a look at the reverse and see if that's a casting sprue crossing the T of RESTITOR? If it is, then I don't think the two could have been cast from the same mould, but as you say, they do look as though they come from the same original 'die'. If I'm right, then we have a two-stage casting process here, with a number of moulds being made from a single 'die'. That would make a lot of sense, as some sort of mass production was presumably used, but it would be nice to have some verification. The different weights and diameters suggest that the first stage involved stamping rather than casting.
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Re: Postumus bronze with RESTITOR GALLIAP
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2007, 05:41:35 am »
Here's a rather poor scan of the coin with the green splodge removed. It's similar to RIC 223, but with radiate and cuirassed bust, and an irregular obverse inscription, CM CASS LAT POSTVMVS AG.
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Re: Postumus bronze with RESTITOR GALLIAP
« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2007, 06:58:48 am »
Nice cleaning job! I would not have expected such a good result. The obverse inscription is IMP CM...
Both specimens seem to be from the same "dies", but from different moulds. As I said in a previous post, my specimen is from a smaller diameter and weights only 4,5 g. I'm not sure, whether it has a casting sprue at the T, but it is definetly cast. Bastien has specimens with other die-positions on the flan, so maybe some of them are struck.

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Re: Postumus bronze with RESTITOR GALLIAP
« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2007, 07:04:20 am »
Quote from: postumus on August 04, 2007, 07:57:20 am
One from my collection

Is that struck on a cast flan? It looks that way from the pic, but I wouldn't want to swear to it. Mine is surely a simple casting; if a variety of techniques were used for a single type, that would be interesting.

This coin is from a different type and surely struck. It is Bastien 26, Atelier I (Cologne)
Obv.: IMP C POSTVMVS PF AVG, laureate, cuirassed and draped Bust right
Rev.: RESTITVTOR GALLIAR, Postumus rising kneeling Gallia.
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Re: Postumus bronze with RESTITOR GALLIAP
« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2007, 08:03:51 am »
You're right; I see the IMP now; I had been seeing it as part of the cuirass.

It wasn't actually that hard to clean. When I looked closely, it looked as though it had been carelessly cleaned, and then treated with Dellers or something similar, over the remaining crud. So I gave it a boil in washing soda, which does sometimes shift greenies, though as I suspected, it didn't affect this one. After a scrub, I'd got rid of a lot of loose dirt, and found a lot more of the white encrustations underneath it. There was no patina, so I didn't have to worry about using chemicals. given the thickness of the coin, the encrustations weren't that thick, which helped, as there wasn't much chance of serious pitting underneath. So I adapted one of Salem's methods, and gave it short soaks in white vinegar, with copious brushing between, and frequent examinations in case it harmed the coin. as you see, it worked well; the deposits were all carbonates, and acid will, of course, dissolve that in no time. As far as I can see, it didn't affect the metal at all. It's the first time I've used it, but I'll do so again, when I've got these thick deposits to cut through, and no patina.
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Re: Postumus bronze with RESTITOR GALLIAP
« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2010, 11:57:31 am »
Hello,

Me too, I have got a RESTITOR GALLIAP, but with a short legend IMP C POSTVMVS P F AVG.
same lebreton
what do you think about it?


thank you
23mm
4.51g

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Re: Postumus bronze with RESTITOR GALLIAP
« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2017, 08:46:46 am »
I found this coin several days ago... I'm doubtful: it's a modern or ancient cast coin?


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Re: Postumus bronze with RESTITOR GALLIAP
« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2017, 09:13:47 am »
Another picture
23 mm and only 2,20 gr

 

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