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Ancient Coin Forum / Re: Are imitatives fake or not?
« Last post by DzikiZdeb on Today at 02:31:47 am »
These types of classifications are characterized by the fact that when we look at individual points, it turns out that each of them must be divided into 2, 3 ... etc.

The coins described in your step 2 cover very different phenomena. A mere fake struck for profit is far different from a situation in which city/country deciding to mint a coins that looks like another city/country's coins because the latter are widely recognized as legal tender.

Below is an example of the Gaza tetradrachm, designed in the manner of the Athenian tetradrachm:

Celtic imitation of Philip II's tetradrachm:

Indian imitation of Tiberius' aureus:

Gdyby Pan coś konkretnego chciał, to proszę pytać. Może akurat mam.
Nie kojarzyłem, że aż tyle tego było. Wydawało mi się, że góra dwadzieścia pozycji, tymczasem widzę że było tego ponad pięćdziesiąt. A mogę być pazerny i poprosić o wszystko? Patrzyłem na tytuły i tych, do których raczej nigdy nie zajrzę jest stosunkowo mało (Kongo, Brazylia, mafia, może jeszcze kilka innych). Nie za bardzo bez dokładnego przeglądu szaf potrafię wskazać, co już mam. Skoro udało się ładnie zoptymalizować, powinno się je dać przepchnąć jedną paczką.
Identification Help / Re: IDying the emperor
« Last post by Ken W2 on Yesterday at 11:26:28 pm »

Oh wow, seems like I learn something everyday in this hobby. Reach nearly the same conclusion in 2 minutes it took me an hour to reach the hard way this afternoon. Thanks for the steer Victor.
Identification Help / Re: IDying the emperor
« Last post by Victor C on Yesterday at 11:01:10 pm »
if you have not seen it, here is a good ID website
Identification Help / Re: IDying the emperor
« Last post by Ken W2 on Yesterday at 10:48:23 pm »

Thanks Victor. Obviously I didn’t notice that. However, it is tau rho discussed in LRBT and shown  as a field mark used in Aquileia in ERIC II, so I stand by my suggested emperors, although this example does appear a little crude.
Books and References / Re: Paris Inventories and Acquisitions
« Last post by Dominic T on Yesterday at 09:00:30 pm »
Fantastiques références ! Merci pour toutes ces recherches Dane.
Identification Help / Which Apollonia? Hermes / Grapes
« Last post by OldMoney on Yesterday at 06:15:36 pm »
Which Apollonia?

AE10, 0.88g, 12h. Obv: Hermes, Rev: Grapes.

I picked up this top coin recently without knowing exactly where it was from, with the
only epigraphic clue being the letters "AΠΟΛΛ" on the reverse. It was not clear whether
this referred to a city or a magistrate.

I was originally going to ask for help working out from where it may have been struck,
but before I did so I naturally worked my through all of the search facilities and various
catalogues, etc., trying to find something - anything - with Hermes on the obverse
and a grape bunch on the reverse.

Bizarrely, perhaps even ridiculously, I went back to the original source and saw that
there was an obverse die-matched coin from the same mint in the same auction
(which I had somehow missed in spite of my specific searches for this type of coin;
how I missed it I will never know
). See lower image.

This second coin gave an answer - but only part of the answer. It revealed the more
complete ethnic AΠΟΛΛΩΝΙΑΤΩΝ, but I still have the problem of working out which
Apollonia it may be.

I have my suspicions that it may be Lydian Tripolis, which was renamed Apollonia for a
short time, but cannot immediately confirm this. I think I can rule out most of the other
cities with the same name, but am open to suggestions.

If anyone has a better idea or can confirm a proper ID then I would love to hear it.

All the best,

- Walter

P.S. As an aside: I recall a chat about whether the proper term is "bunch of grapes" or
"grape bunch", but cannot recall which was which. Can anyone clarify this as well?
Hi Tom, a copy for the Lancaster office (USA) and another for the London office of CNG have already been on the road for a few days ...
Identification Help / Lead Tessera Zeus-Serapis Caesarea Maritima Mystery
« Last post by v-drome on Yesterday at 05:08:38 pm »
Hi, all.  I posted this in the Seals and Tesserae section but I wanted to see if any of our ID experts might recognize the partial reverse type.  It is a tough one, but any ideas are welcome.  Thanks, V-drome.

My gallery of Tesserae from Caesarea Maritima is here:
Ancient Coin Forum / Are imitatives fake or not?
« Last post by Virgil H on Yesterday at 05:06:22 pm »
There was a post in the Byzantine section about fake or imitative coins that confused me a bit. I know I have talked about this in the past, but it got me thinking again. I decided to make a new post rather than respond there.

Here is how I have come to define coins. I would be interested if this is a useful way to categorize them. When I see coin descriptions, I put it in one of my categories.

1. Officially minted coins
2. Contemporary forgeries or imitations: coins made in the same time period of the official coins (when they were circulating) and made to deceive. Upon thinking about it now, I will drop using the word "imitation" because it is confusing. It is an ancient fake, so more desirable than a modern fake.
3. Barbaric imitations: coins made by the various tribes copying established coins from Roman and various Greek and other states. These were not made to deceive, I believe, they were often just too obvious. These are coins from the various areas that produced coinage and are separate and collectible in their own right. I think many of these also fall into Category 1.
4. Modern fake: anything made well after the time the originals were produced, and made to deceive.

My tastes run to trying to only collect Category 1 and 3, but I have one in Category 2 and one in Category 4. Categories two and four are "fakes."

For me, the word "imitation" refers to actual ancient coins that copy another coin and are made in a different place than the coin being copied.

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