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lv88:
Hi All,

I have recently begun taking interest in the Shaddadid dynasty. I have found it difficult to find coins of this dynasty except Fadl I A.H. 400 type dirham[which I have]. If anyone has any Shaddadid coins  for sale, or could refer me to anyone who has these. In particular Shavur I (preferable petal type or something else) it would be great.

Best,
Levon

Istinpolin:
Hi Levon

Istanbul would be the best spot for such coins.

The problem with such small dynasties (Such as Anatolian Beyliks) is that they are not popular, so people dont buy them to sell them. Such coins are real popular in Turkey and orthodox countries behind the Caucasus, like Georgia and Armenia and so on. Because it is related to their region.

You have to locate wholesellers in largers cities like Istanbul, Ankara, Tiflis or Irevan. Moscow would also a good spot after Istanbul.

It is absolutely tough to find these coins on the net unless someone offers them found randomly in lots or uncleaned coins or something.

The web is generally poor for Islamic coins. Only those dynasties known most are offered widely, like Ottoman coins for example.

Best wishes,
Burak

lv88:
Hi Burak,

Indeed, even though these coins dont cost so much, they are hard to find. I have asked around and looks like I might get a scarcer variant from the emir Shavur I.


Do you take interest in these coins, or come across them often?

Best,
Levon

Istinpolin:
Hi Levon

I dont think you would find many Shaddadid coins collectors in the "Western" world, which I think is a real shame. But like I said this is due to many westerners not knowing who these dynasties are.

For example, I just sold this Qilij Arslan IV first reign dirhem on ebay for 750 dollars to an american. I asked him how he knew about the Seljuq of Rum empire and why he does collect them. He said that he visited Turkey and loved it and this is how this interest came along. Some people buy lots of uncleaned coins and find some islamic coins in it and are not that interested. Most westerners collect Ottoman coins when is comes to Islamic coins. It is all a question of popularity, or interest in some way.

I know some dealer who may have some Shaddadid coins here in the UK, but they are not exclusively dealing with those. They only sell them when they get some which is not often. The same applies to all sorts of Anatolian Beylik coins (Karamanid, Germiyan, Hamid, Aydin etc) or contemporary Seljuq Beyliks like the Denishmenids and so on. You can find such coins in Turkey and Syria which is tricky, dangerous and illegal or in Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan and so on. These coins are regional and mostly sold locally.

I know this is sad. You can also always try Steven Album. There is no match to him.

Best wishes,
Burak

Robert_Brenchley:
I think the problem is that Islamic history just isn't taught in the West, except in a few specialist institutions. There's still a general failure to acknowledge what we've learnt from other cultures. I'm glad I'm not a history teacher, I'm not sure I could cope with some of the stuff I see in the textbooks!

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