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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Bronze
« Reply #125 on: March 09, 2017, 03:34:24 pm »
Nice gift.. +++

and rare coin.. ;) :)

Clever pairing.. +++

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Bronze
« Reply #126 on: April 16, 2017, 07:30:46 am »
Unpublished era date 109 with control letters mem & aleph above prow. It´s possible that somebody made an attempt to clean this coin, hence the shiny bronze showing in places or it could just have rubbed up against more coins or objects before being found.

Phoenicia, Arados 151-150 B.C

AE 15.14mm (Thickness 2.33mm), weight 2.93g, die axis = 12h (30 degrees), denomination C.

Obverse: Braided, bearded head of Zeus right, border of dots.

Reverse: Triple pointed ram of Galley left, Phoenician letters mem (m) & aleph (´) above, Aradian era date 109 below.


https://phoeniciancoins.wordpress.com/2017/04/16/ar-no-ztr-109m12-c-rv/

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Bronze
« Reply #127 on: September 09, 2017, 04:48:56 am »
Série 13 Revision - era date 375 Confirmed


Coin no.4608d was used for the purpose of this revision.


It´s been awhile since i have seen a Duyrat série 13 for sale. I bought this coin hoping it would help solve a dispute in respect to era date 375 (EOT) being possibly year 273 (ΣOΓ), it didn’t disappoint. The letter T (Tau) representing 300 cuts through the barley-whiskers and is not the letter Γ (gamma) as previously thought, also the letter E (Epsilon) should not be mistaken for a Σ (Sigma). The bust of Helios appears to have Roman facial features and fits in iconographically when placed after era date 365, maybe some of the resident Roman experts can see a likeness to Trajan ?

Please follow provided links for earlier updates submitted on the 2nd May 2014 & 12th August 2014.

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=93142.msg591861#msg591861

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=93142.msg601067#msg601067



Ar 166 : PΞς (94-93 B.C), B, Gimel) (Greek/Phoenician letters)
4603    D1-R1, Paris BNF, H.Seyrig1973239.3,85g,18,9mm,12 h.
4604    D2-R2, Collection Lindgren, no.1345. 6,55 g.

Ar 231 : CΛA (29-28 B.C), ’, M, H (Greek/Phoenician letters)
4605    D3-R3, Berlin, SM, Löbbecke (1906). 5,63 g, 21,5 mm,12 h.  
4605b  D4-R4, Paris BNF.

Ar 233 : CΛΓ (27-26 B.C), ’, M, Y, Q. (Phoenician letters - Aleph Mem Yodh Qoth)
4606    D4-R4, Paris BNF, Waddington. 7,23 g, 22,7 mm, 12 h.

Ar 277 : ΣOZ (18-19 A.D), ΑΡΑΔΙΩΝ
4609    D6-R6, Berlin, SM, Imhoof-Blumer (1900). 8,35 g, 20,3 mm, 12 h.
4610    D6-R7, New York, ANS 1953 171 1645.
4610b  D6-R8, Paris BNF.
4610c  D6-R9, Paris BNF.
4610d  D6-R10, Paris BNF.
4610e  D6-R11 Collection Martin Rowe, Stockholm (GS).

Ar 281 : ΣΠA  (21-22 de notre ère), Q (Phoenician letter Qoph), ΑΡΑΔΙΩΝ
4611    D7-R8, Berlin, SM, Löbbecke (1906). 6,39 g, 22,8 mm, 12 h.
4611b  D7-R9, BMC.
4611c   D7-R10, Paris BNF.
4611d   D7-R11, Paris BNF.

Ar 282-296 : (24-28 A.D), G (Phoenician letter Gimel), ΑΡΑΔΙΩΝ
4618     D1-R1, Paris BNF.

Ar 297 : ΣϘZ (38-39 A.D), G (Phoenician letter Gimel), ΑΡΑΔΙΩΝ
4619     D1-R1, BMC.

Ar 352 : BNT (93-94 A.D), Q (Phoenician letter Qoph), ΑΡΑΔΙΩΝ
4612     D8-R9, Berlin, SM, Löbbecke (1906). 5,94 g, 20,6 mm, 12 h.
4613     D8-R10?, Collection Lindgren, no.1346. 5,57 g.
4614     D8-R10?, Munich, no 22. 5,12 g, 6 h.
4615     D8-R10, Paris BNF Collection Delepierre no.16. 7,50 g, 19,7 mm, 12 h.
4616     D8-R11, Collection Weber, no 8027. 5,24 g.
4616b   D8-R12, BMC.
4616c   D8-R13, Paris BNF.
4616d   D8-R14, Paris BNF.
4616e   D8-R15, Collection Molinari.
4616f.   D8-R16, Collection Martin Rowe, Stockholm (HW).

Ar 365 : EΞT (106-107 A.D), Q (Phoenician letter Qoph), ΑΡΑΔΙΩΝ
4620     D1-R1, BMC.
4621     D1-R1, Collection Martin Rowe, Stockholm (GT).

Ar 375 : EOT (116-117 A.D), Q (Phoenician letter Qoph), ΑΡΑΔΙΩΝ
4607     D5-R5, Berlin, SM, C. R. Fox (1873). 5,61 g, 21,1 mm, 12 h.
4608     D5-R5, Berlin, SM, Löbbecke (1906). 8,04 g, 21,2 mm, 12 h.
4608b   D5-R6, Private collector.
4608c   D5-R7, Paris BNF.
4608d   D5-R7, Collection Martin Rowe, Stockholm (TD).
4608e   D5-R8, Paris BNF.


For the coins attribution please follow provided link.

https://phoeniciancoins.wordpress.com/2017/09/09/ar-no-hbvg-375eot12-b-td/

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Bronze
« Reply #128 on: January 15, 2018, 11:28:10 pm »
I have seen a Phoenician Zeus/Prow bronze with a different kind of date.  I don't have Duyrat.  The sources I did have were old and incomplete.

Above the prow is what looks like Greek letters ΙΔ.
Below the prow looks like a combination of Latin, Greek, and Phoenician letters.  Possibly CΙΕ𐤍.

I have found similar coins in SNG Copenhagen 382 (as uncertain mint) and BMC Phoenicia p. 297 #2.  The authors are not able to give a city or a reading.  The coin reminds me of the CH dated coins on this thread.  CIE is possibly the date 215 in the city era; 44/3 BC if the city is Arados.  What do the folks here think?

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Bronze
« Reply #129 on: February 24, 2018, 02:37:02 am »
I have only just noticed your post esnible.

WOW  :o

You have yourself an extremely rare Duyrat série 10, there are only 3 other samples with this era date. Personally I believe these coins should be reattributed to Série II, both série II & 10 are in my opinion the same type.

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=6433
 

Era date 215 : ÇIE (beth) 45/4 BC. ∆Η

4392  D5-R8, New York, ANS 1944 100 70708 Newell. 3,28 g, 15,8 mm, 12 h.
4393  D5-R8, Paris, BNF, H. Seyrig Y28883,48. 3,97 g, 16,9 mm, 12 h.
4394  D5-R9, Paris, BNF, Babelon no 1060. 3,48 g, 17,3 mm, 12 h.



Obverse: Braided, bearded head of Zeus, border of dots.

Reverse: Prow of galley left with eye, (Ἀθηνᾶ Πρόμαχος) Athena Promachos figurehead fighting left with shield and spear, above Greek letters delta (∆), theta (H), Aradian era date 215 (45-44 BC) [CIE with Phoenician letter beth (B) right].


Here is one of the BNF coins (image courtesy of BNF).



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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Bronze
« Reply #130 on: February 24, 2018, 02:53:33 am »
Here is my latest unpublished era date belonging to Duyrat série 5.


Phoenicia, Arados 161-160 B.C

AE 16.27mm (Thickness 2.34mm), weight 3.54g, die axis = 12h (0 degrees), denomination C.

Obverse: Braided, bearded head of Zeus right, border of dots.

Reverse: Triple pointed ram of galley left, Phoenician letters nun (N) & aleph (´) above, Aradian era date 99 below.


https://phoeniciancoins.wordpress.com/2018/02/24/ar-no-ztr-99-n12-c-vv/

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-144174


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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Bronze
« Reply #131 on: February 24, 2018, 12:14:40 pm »
Nice piece both, Martin,   +++ ;)

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Bronze
« Reply #132 on: January 13, 2019, 09:37:59 am »
The latest coin added to my collection was minted during the reign of Tiberius.


Phoenicia, Arados 25-26 A.D

Obverse: Bust of Astarte, wearing stephane and veil, border of dots.

Reverse: Tyche nude to waist seated left on rudder, hand on tiller, carrying cornucopia with bunch of grapes right,  Phoenician letter qoph (Q) above Tyche´s outstretched arm, Aradian era date 284 (ΔΠΣ) below.


I have searched all of my reference books and known websites resulting in the following hits.

BNF
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8535752t.r=ARADOS?rk=10944260;0

ANS
http://numismatics.org/collection/1944.100.70730?lang=en

The ANS references are as follows; BMC.350 / RPC 4475. The BMC reference is of a coin with similar obverse & reverse and I can't seem to track down an image of RPC 4475. If anybody can help with further information regarding RPC 4475 or the whereabouts of additional coins of this type minted during the reign of Tiberius, It would be really appreciated.

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Bronze
« Reply #133 on: January 13, 2019, 10:26:10 am »

Unfortunately RPC I has no picture of 4475.
Similar coin 4476 is dated   :Greek_Zeta: :Greek_Koppa: :GreeK_Sigma:  (38/39) under Caligula.

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Bronze
« Reply #134 on: January 13, 2019, 10:42:32 am »
Thanks for taking a look for me Pekka, much appreciated.

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Bronze
« Reply #135 on: January 13, 2019, 01:28:28 pm »
I'm not sure what you are looking for, but the coin from the BnF is from the collection of Louis De Clercq and has been described by Georges Le Rider and Henri Seyrig in "Objets de la collection Louis De Clercq, donnés en 1967 au Cabinet des Médailles de la Bibliothèque Nationale par M. et Mme Henri de Boisgelin" (long title  :)),Revue Numismatique Année 1968 10 pp. 7-50: https://www.persee.fr/doc/numi_0484-8942_1968_num_6_10_958
The coin is described as number 321 on page 15 and depicted on plate III: https://www.persee.fr/doc/numi_0484-8942_1968_num_6_10_2648

Perhaps this helps.

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Bronze
« Reply #136 on: January 13, 2019, 01:33:08 pm »
I just have seen the comment in this article: "Cette pièce paraît être elle aussi d'une grande rareté." meaning "This piece seems to be of great rarity as well."  :)
Congratulations!

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Bronze
« Reply #137 on: January 13, 2019, 02:28:10 pm »
The coin belonging to ANS has the following references on their website, BMC.350 / RPC 4475. I had already wrote that the BMC reference was incorrect due to it not being a Tiberius issue. I also wrote that i needed an image of the RPC 4475 coin, but unfortunately it was not included in RPC.

I'm sure the Revue Numismatique links will be useful during my studies of Roman provincial issues of Arados. Thanks for your help Altamura, I´m really pleased to be able to add a Tiberius coin to my collection.  +++

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Bronze
« Reply #138 on: February 24, 2019, 03:10:15 pm »
New Coin Type

This coin is the only one of its kind so far discovered. A possible explanation for the unorthodox obverse and reverse combination is that the dies used were probably rejected due to the retrograde bust of Tyche and the omitted era date on reverse. The obverse depicts the well established bust of Tyche with turreted crown, but lacks the palm-frond over shoulder often seen on coins of Arados.

Tyche´s facial features are not too dissimilar to other bronze emissions of the same period, but bare greatest resemblance to série 3 coins that also lack palm-frond. The reverse with prow of galley and Phoenician letters ayin & taw on opposite sides of the Aradian monogram AP (also seen on série 3 coins), establishes a strong argument that the coin was struck in the vicinity of Aradian year 49 (211-210 B.C).


Phoenicia, Arados 219-175 B.C (211-210 B.C)

AE 14.99mm (Thickness 2.23mm), weight 2.69g, die axis = 6h (180 degrees), denomination C.

Obverse: Turreted head of Tyche left (Retrograde), border of dots.

Reverse: Prow of galley left, stem rising forward in a curve, Phoenician letters taw (T) & ayin (‘), on either side of AP.


Ref: New Coin Type; Similar reverse as Duyrat 2005 Pg.52 No.1663-1667 (Série 3) but without era date in exerque.


https://phoeniciancoins.wordpress.com/2019/02/24/ar-no-tpscr-t-12-b-yv/

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Bronze
« Reply #139 on: February 24, 2019, 05:55:43 pm »
It has been a year or so since I checked in on your webpage—it has really come a long way.  Well done, and nice new coin.

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Bronze
« Reply #140 on: February 25, 2019, 05:05:44 am »
Thanks Nick, my stats have steadily increased every year so the website appears to be helping.

P.S I have a couple of more new types that I would like to share, will try and post them shortly.

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Bronze
« Reply #141 on: March 28, 2020, 08:02:50 am »
Mistakes are made by auction houses in respect to identification and referencing of coins, on this occasion beneficial to my collection. The coin below was advertised has being minted during the reign of Trajan, when in fact it was minted during the reign of Augustus and considerably more scarce. The Phoenician letters combining the city control mark or minters/engravers mark are very unusual and specific to this type. Condition wise this coin ranks as one of the best preserved coins of it's type  ;D

https://phoeniciancoins.wordpress.com/2020/03/27/ar-no-aehb-258-σnh-2-aap/

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-161744

Included below is a BM London coin of the same type.



Phoenicia, Arados 1 B.C-1 A.D

AE 20.48mm (Thickness 3.30mm), weight 6.80g, die axis = 2h (60 degrees).

Obverse: Bust of Astarte-Europa right with head of Augustus.

Reverse: Humped bull galloping left, head facing, Phoenician letters beth (B), taw (TH), zayin (Z) & aleph (´) above, Aradian era date 258 (ΣNH) below.

Ref: BMC Phoenicia Pg.45 No.358.

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Bronze
« Reply #142 on: April 15, 2020, 04:14:47 pm »
I love it when that happens!

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Bronze
« Reply #143 on: April 27, 2020, 02:04:54 am »
Great coin  +++

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Bronze
« Reply #144 on: April 27, 2020, 03:00:37 am »
Thanks Joe, glad you liked the coin.  ;)

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Bronze
« Reply #145 on: May 09, 2020, 01:11:06 pm »
Bit of fun  ;D

I can assure the reader that this is not a metal detector find.

I acquired this 3 years ago during a trip to Thailand, I think the weight is around 84kg (185 pounds or 13,2 stones). Unfortunately I do not have an image of the obverse, I apologise if this is a violation of Forvm rules. Are there any board members who can help me with identification and [Removed by Admin  8)] ?

The tattoo parlour assured me that it was genuine  ::)


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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Bronze
« Reply #146 on: August 27, 2020, 08:54:59 am »
Does it have a second side.  Glad to hear you have the expert authority of a Thai tattoo shop to rely upon.

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Bronze
« Reply #147 on: August 27, 2020, 01:25:09 pm »
I think it could get quite messy and painful if I was to show the other side  ;D

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Bronze
« Reply #148 on: January 06, 2021, 09:40:40 pm »
Good place to go for Greek coins, Thailand.  I get most of my Buddha statues from Iceland.

 

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