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Hi,
I'm interesting for engraver's errors like missing, plus or mistaken letters on legends.
If you have like these post them here!
Thanks,
Tibsi
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My 1st coin: CONCOSIA AVGG
Original: CONCORDIA AVGG
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My 2nd coin: P M TN P II COS P P
Original: P M TR P II COS P P
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My 3rd coin: IMP CAES M ANT GORDIANVS AV
Original: IMP CAES M ANT GORDIANVS AVG
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My 4th coin: LETITIA AVGG
Original: LAETITIA AVGG
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My 5th coin: MARTEM PROGNATOREM
Original: MARTEM PROPVGNATOREM
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If it's a thread about legend errors it would be helpful if you posted both the legends as they are and as they should be.
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OK, Thanks!
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Very interesting idea Tibsi. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
My 3rd coin: IMP CAES M ANT GORDIANVS AV
Original: IMP CAES M ANT GORDIANVS AVG
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=64853.0;attach=131702;image
This coin is interesting. I think that it's an imitation. The style is not official. :)
My 2nd coin: P M TN P II COS P P
Original: P M TR P II COS P P
There are many comments about this coin. I don't now if it's an official coin of Antioch or an imitation. But it's a nice coin ! ;)
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Hi Chut,
I agree with your opinions about these coins.
Tibsi
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Here are a few of mine.
Mine:- COMITI PORBI AVG
Orig:- COMITI PROBI AVG
(https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/normal_RI_132uu_img.jpg)
Mine:- TEMPR FELICI
Orig:- TEMPOR FELICI
(https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/normal_RI%20132tt%20img%7E0.jpg)
Mine:- IVLA DOMNA
Orig:- IVLIA DOMNA
(https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/normal_RI_065z_img.jpg)
Mine:- IV in centre field
Orig:- VI in centre field
(https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/normal_RI%20132si%20img.jpg)
Regards,
Martin
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Wow, what a wonderful examples! Congrat!
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Here are three:
(https://www.forumancientcoins.com/moonmoth/coins/pics/herennia/herennia_005.jpg)
Herennia Etruscilla.
Obverse: HER ERVSCILLA AVG.
Should be: HER ETRVSCILLA AVG.
(https://www.forumancientcoins.com/moonmoth/coins/pics/gallienus/gallienus_014.jpg)
Gallienus.
Reverse: PAA AVGG
Should be PAX AVGG
There are at least six different dies with this error! I have two examples.
(https://www.forumancientcoins.com/moonmoth/coins/pics/gallienus/gallienus_030.jpg)
Gallienus again.
Obverse: IMP C P LIC GALLIAENVS P F AVG
Should be: IMP C P LIC GALLIENVS P F AVG
Reverse: ORIENS AVS
Should be: ORIENS AVG
With two such errors, you might wonder if this coin is official. It looks OK to me, but I'm open to opinions.
Bill
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Amazing errors again!
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PORBI - that one is great!
Lars
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A nice one from Mr. Ferenc Ovari (expert of antoninianii from 238-253).
This: IMP CAES M ANT GORDIANS AVG
Orig: IMP CAES M ANT GORDIANVS AVG
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Some more from me...
Another Julia Domna with the same IVLA error on obverse but from Alexandria this time rather than Emesa on my earlier example. This coin also has VICTI rather than VICTR on reverse.
Mine:- IVLA DOMNA AVG / VENERI VICTI
Orig:- IVLIA DOMNA AVG / VENERI VICTR
(https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_065as_img.jpg)
Mine:- PROVID D AVG
Orig:- PROVID DEOR
(https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/normal_RI_130au_img.jpg)
Likely to have been a mix-up between PROVID DEOR and PROVIDE AVG reverse legends.
A couple of eastern denarii of Severus Alexander
Mine:- IMP C M AV SEV ALEXAND AVG
Orig:- IMP C M AVG SEV ALEXAND AVG
(https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_077ar_img.jpg)
Mine:- VIRVS AVG
Orig:- VIRTVS AVG
(https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/normal_RI%20077m%20img%7E0.jpg)
Mine:- ORIES AVG
Orig:- ORIENS AVG
(https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/normal_RI%20132so%20img.jpg)
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Great!
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I collect eastern denarii of Septimius Severus and so could add dozens of examples as such errors are quite commonplace from those mints. I have picked out acouple of the more interesting ones...
Mine:- BONI EVENTVC
Orig:- BONI EVENTVS
(https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/normal_RI_064es_img.jpg)
Mine:- BONETAE AVG
Orig:- MONETAE AVG
(https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/normal_RI_064gs_img.jpg)
Mine:- FORTVAE REDVCI
Orig:- FORTVNAE REDVCI
(https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/normal_RI_064jh_img.jpg)
Also combining a Fortuna reverse legend with an Aequitas / Moneta reverse type
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Presumably BONI EVENTVC is likely to be someone used to the Greek rather than the Latin alphabet!
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Very nice example from FAC Coin Shop:
This: CONCORDIA AAVGG
Orig: CONCORDIA AVGG
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Hi, interesting error of Philip I. on the reverse side:
Error (shortened legend): SPES FELICITIS ORBIS
Original should be as: SPES FELICITATIS ORBIS
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And one more for Philip I. from Antioch, this time unusually on obverse side.
Original should be: IMP M IVL PHILIPPVS AVG
And there is an additional I: IMP M IVLI PHILIPPVS AVG
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1) Here is one of the mine, I think it's the most important because this is a die link with the British museum
IMP CAE M ANT GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG
CONCORDIA AVG
2) British Museum
IMP CAE M ANT GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG
CONCORDIA AVG
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Two Philippus antos and the Gordian anto: very nice examples! Congrat!
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Wonderful errors but as far as I'm concerned this is the best of the Septimius errors. You see it clearly reads SPQR OPTIMO PBINCIPI but the misspelled version is many times more common than the correct one SPQR OPTIMO PRINCIPI.
Many sellers don't even bother noting it. They usually miss mentioning the version with the claw hand rather than holding the staff, too. How many dies are there both ways? When does an error become correct by common usage? I ain't got no idea.
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A variation in writing style perhaps? or illiterate die engravers, just copying an error from a previous die?
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Very interesting case!
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Wouldn't you think just once in a while they would have written SPQB?
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In the same situation, I have an extremely rare coin with only 2 specimen know (both from same die) with SECVETIAS PERPETVA form Antioch second issue of Gordian III. the SECVRITAS PERPETVA don't exist, I think the error is volunteer of the die engraver to see clearly the differences between Roma and Antioch, because if the writing was SECVRITAS , the type should be the onlmy one with exactly same reverse than in Roma
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Great idea, Tibsi. I used to collect these. One of my favorite engraving errors is rather a design error by Greek engravers who found the Roman preoccupance with personifications rather confusing. Especially Libertas and Liberalitas were confused on coins, as seen below: the legend of these Antioch mint coins have Libertas paired with legend LIBERALITAS and vice versa.
Regards
Gert
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And another Antioch mint coin with a personification of Truth (or is it?)
VERITAS AVG
should be: VBERITAS AVG.
Regards
Gert
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And a rather rare engraving error on a follis of Diocletian:
IMP DIOCLELTIANVS P AVG
Should of course read DIOCLETIANVS
Regards
Gert
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And a provincial engraving error. Once again a mistake due to engraving Latin legends with a Greek mother tongue. The emperor Gordian's name is spelled with a Greek rho: GOPDIANVS.
Regards
Gert
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Great coins!
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Gert,
Which one are the correct version on roman coins? LIBERTAS or LIBERALITAS? Is the 2nd?
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I think both are wrong!
Best regards
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Dear Gert, Even if the LIBERALITAS AVG shoud have an abacus, all the LIBARALITAS AVG of ANtioch minted during Gordian's reign have the Libertas representation. Only the LIBERALITAS AVG II (2 specimens known, see the mine below) have the good representation.
In his thesis, Roger Bland did refer 39 coins of this type strucked with 22 different reverse dies.
The 2 LIBERALITAS AVG II are from different dies, the second is from the so called "Baldwin's hoard" from Romania (318 coins from a biggest hoard purchased by Baldwin's in 1982 within 122 Gordian's coins)
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I'm have a Gordian anto from Antiochia with LIBERALITAS AVG. Is this OK?
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It's ok for this thread because the depicted figure is not Liberalitas but Libertas with pileus.
Best regards
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PORBI and VIRVS are so great!!!!
AETETNITAS AVG
original is AETERNITAS AVG
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Great coin!
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Here is my Philippus I. anto with interesting 'R' on reverse. It looks like an 'A' letter.
This piece: PAX AETEAN
Original: PAX AETERN
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I just bought this one here on forum,
It seems than the G of AVG at the end of the obverse is missing...
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Hi ! Here is an interesting error of Philip I. on the reverse side :
Antioch.
IMP M IVL PHILIPPVS AVG
AEQVTAS AVGG
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Wow! Great!
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Here's another AEQUTAS antoninianus from Antioch, this time for Volusianus (RIC 225var.). Interestingly, some years later when Macrianus and Quietus struck their coins (wasn't it at Antioch too?), ALL their coins of Aequitas types (Göbl 1727) read AEQUTAS.
Best regards,
Rupert
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People in Antioch spoke Greek in everyday life. I think this is a systematic error, maybe due to the kind of Latin that they spoke when they had to. Maybe they spoke "aequus" (=just, even, equal) like "aecus" and therefore "aequitas" like "aecutas", or rather "aec'tas", with the u being a very short binding vowel. So the I might just not have appeared in their pronunciation and therefore have been forgotten in the coin dies.
A similar systematic error appears on the very first coins of Postumus. On the very short first emission the legend is invariably "IMP C M CASS LAT POSTIMUS PF AUG". We may conclude that the engraver had only HEARD but never READ the new emperor's name, and that the name was surely not pronounced PostOOOmus! Certainly not PostEEEmus either, but the first U must have been an equally weak binding vowel, and the pronunciation will have been something like "Post'mus". After a few dies the legend was shortened, and the spelling corrected to Postumus. My first emission antoninian is not really in bad condition, but was struck from very worn dies; yet the POSTIMUS is well discernible.
Rupert
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I would hesitate to draw conclusions about pronounciation from the error POSTIMVS. Surely there are other ways the error could have come about than because of a supposed oral transmission of the name.
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All right, Curtis, of course I'm conjecturing here. You are right to state that "We may conclude that..." is somewhat grandiose speaking from my side. I admit that it was just the first plausible explanation that came to my mind considering the fact that the whole first emission (short but from more than one die) has this same spelling error.
Now let's leave speculations aside and revert to a plain spelling error. Here's a coin that I've owned for more than twenty-five years now, an Augustus as of the moneyer C. Gallius Lupercus, RIC 379. The interesting thing here is the spelling "(TRIBUNIC PO)TEST CASAR AUGUSTUS" instead of CAESAR. The strike is sloppy but the weight is normal at 10.11 g. It will be hard to decide whether or not this coin is official.
Rupert
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Style looks official to me, so I've added a note of the error to my copy of BMC and printed out the picture for my files.
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Then I should at least do my homework! Diameter 27 mm, die axis 3 o'clock.
Rupert
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Thanks for the details, also for those of the Domna dupondius last week in the Numismatik-Café.
I'm relieved to see that the 3:00 axis is no problem, because Augustan aes was struck with unaligned dies, not just the usual 12:00 or 6:00, upright or inverted, of most of the later imperial coinage.
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Postumus and Augustus: very good examples! Congrat!
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Here is an Arcadius AE2 : VIRTS EXERCITI instead of VIRTVS EXERCITI
(https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11724/normal_0790-310np_noir.jpg)
AE 2 struck in Alexandria, 3rd officina
D N ARCADIVS P F AVG, Diademed bust of Arcadius right
VIRTS EXERCITI (sic !), Arcadius, standing right, a captive at right foot, holding globe and standard. ALE gamma at exergue
6.28 gr
Ref : RC #4230, LRBC #2896 var
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And a Magnus Maximus siliqua : VIRTVS ROMASORVM instead of VIRTVS ROMANORVM
(https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11724/normal_0752-210np_noir.jpg)
Siliqua struck in Treveri, 2nd officina
D N MAG MAX IMVS P F AVG, draped, cuirassed and diademed bust right
VIRTVS RO MASORVM (sic !!) Roma seated facing, holding globe and spear.
TRPS at exergue
1.91 gr
Ref : Cohen # 20 var, Roman coins # 4201
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Also a Gallienus antoninianus : VENRI VICTRICI instead of VENERI VICTRICI
(https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11724/normal_0440-230np_noir.jpg)
Antioch mint, AD 265
GALLIENVS AVG, radiate and cuirassed bust right seen from front
VENRI (sic) VICTRICI, Venus standing left, holding helmet shield and spear
3,30 gr
Ref : RCV #10370 var, Cohen #1021 var, Göbl #1653g
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Wow! Amazing pieces!
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Philippus I. antoninianus (maybe barbaric imitation):
Rev. legend here: ROMAE AETEANAE
Original: ROMAE AETERNAE
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In my collection I found only one coin with a legend error from the late empire. Gratian RIC VIII, Alexandria 6(a) with rev. legend GLORAI instead of GLORIA. I know of 2 other specimens with the same error: A Theodosius II from Alexandria in the coll. of Doug Smith and an Arcadius from Gert in 'Gallery'
Best regards
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An antioch error that I hadn't seen before. Should be IMPCAVRSEVALEXANDAVG but is IMPCAVRSEALEXANDAVG. Tried to snipe bid but it wasn't enough :(
I've got competition!
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Forgot about that one, Jochen, here's the picture. If I remember correctly, the error is limited to the first officina of Alexandria. Perhaps Doug Smith can upload a picture of the third ruler if he reads this...
Regards
Gert
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An antioch error that I hadn't seen before. Should be IMPCAVRSEVALEXANDAVG but is IMPCAVRSEALEXANDAVG. Tried to snipe bid but it wasn't enough :(
I've got competition!
Same here! Coin went for 116 euros over my bid of 115!
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Ouch! You had me. I was at 110.
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Perhaps Doug Smith can upload a picture of the third ruler if he reads this...
Regards
Gert
I had this as Theodosius I (not II?). When I bought the coin in 1991 it came with a clipping from an old article in "The Numismatist" where my coin had been used to illustrate an article but I forget where I put that clipping. I did note that they said nothing about the error in spelling.
In my collection I found only one coin with a legend error from the late empire. Gratian RIC VIII, Alexandria 6(a) with rev. legend GLORAI instead of GLORIA. I know of 2 other specimens with the same error: A Theodosius II from Alexandria in the coll. of Doug Smith and an Arcadius from Gert in 'Gallery'
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Here is my coin: its more an engraver's mistake rather than a spelling mistake.
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I have posted this in another thread but it is also relevant here.
Mine - HADRIANVS AVGSTVS P P
Should be - HADRIANVS AVGVSTVS P P
Martin
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I have posted this in another thread but it is also relevant here.
Mine - HADRIANVS AVGSTVS P P
Should be - HADRIANVS AVGVSTVS P P
Martin
Here is my coin: its more an engraver's mistake rather than a spelling mistake.
Very interesting examples, congrat!
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Here is my new Gordian.
Now: VICTORIA AVGSTI
Orig: VICTORIA AVGVSTI
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Here is my new Gordian.
Now: VICTORIA AVGSTI
Orig: VICTORIA AVGVSTI
Hi Tibsi. Maybe it shows differently in hand and there are traces of the IA at the top of the reverse, but from the picture I make the reverse VICTOR AVGSTI and not VICTORIA AUGSTI. ???
regards
Mark
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The coin isn't in my hand since I won some minutes before. Based on the picture I see IA letters but very faintly.
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Here's one more AEQUTAS! Not from my collection but in tomorrow's CNG sale. This time it's an Eastern as of Valerian I.
Rupert
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Here's one more AEQUTAS! Not from my collection but in tomorrow's CNG sale. This time it's an Eastern as of Valerian I.
Nice example!
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I have just received this. It is another example of IVLA as opposed to IVLIA for an eastern mint Julia Domna.
Martin
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The Antioch mint had serious problems with the I in Aequitas, for a number of years. As Rupert said, all Quietus and Macrian coins have this faulty spelling, and coins of Volusian, Valerian and Philip II are posted. Here are two more of Trebonianus Gallus, one in fine and one in the 'crude' style.
Regards
Gert
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Great shot!
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I have a Julian bull that has the legend error IVLIANVS P AVG rather than PF AVG. It looks official, just not a very good engraver who did the work.
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I also consigned a Theodosius II that had obverse legend D N THEODOSVS P F AVG, missing the I in his name. I like it because it is on a rarer type to boot...
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At 25 mm only, with legend error and slightly irregular style, I'd say the Julian is likely to be an ancient imitation.
Lars
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IMP C C VAL DIOCLETIANVS P AVG
Should be: IMP C C VAL DIOCLETIANVS PF AVG
Either the engraver ran out of room for the "F", or at this point in time Diocletian was merely dutiful but not yet wise. ;)
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My friend (famous expert of antoninianii of the 238-253 coinage) showed me his new found.
- unknown obverse legend: IMP FILI GAL VEND VOLVSIANO AVG
- reverse legend with error: ROMAE AETERNAT AVG
Amazing piece!
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Here is my newest Gordian III. barbaric suberatus with funny figure and two
legend errors on reverse:
SAECVLI VELICIIAS
Orig.: SAECVLI FELICITAS
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CONCORIA AVG (instead of CONCORDIA AVG) from Antiochia:
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CONCORDIA MLIT (instead of CONCORDIA MILIT) from Rome:
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# 1. Macrianus. INDVGENTIA instead of INDULGENTIA.
# 2. Nero and Agrippina. Acrippina instead of AGRIPPINA. Doesn't look like a clogged die.
It seems that this kind of errors were more frequent on the days following the Saturnalia. ;D
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Comparing the G's that show on Agrippina, I see that G/C as a matter of handwriting that is particularly common involving Greek cutters making Latin letters that are not found in Greek. The missing letters strike me as examples of what Benito called a Saturnalia problem. It was hard to get good help in those days, too. The F is omitted too frequently from PF coins to allow me to accept it as an accident but I don't know if it was fully planned or just the recognition that the F was the least significant letter. We need a coin with no F and a lot of extra space at the end to show that the omission was not based on space.
How do you explain this one's obverse? If it reads PFI before AVG should we yell error or added Invictus.
http://www.pbase.com/dougsmit/image/110210033.jpg
Just because a coin does not fit a pattern we have in mind does not always mean the coin is wrong. These dies were individual pieces of work cut by people who did things 'their way'. Some were more 'original' than others. Many couldn't spell any better than I and spelling consistently has not been an obsession through all of history. The FILI Volusian is certainly interesting but hardly an error.
It is almost as difficult to show coins of Pescennius Niger that don't have an error. Examples of certain Byzantine bronzes that do not appear overstruck or double struck are the exception rather than the rule. There are many examples of coins that make it hard to define 'normal' too strictly.
How many have Julian bulls with eagles that weigh considerably less than their bulls without eagles? Is it fair to say that unofficial bulls are more likely to have eagles than not?
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Currently posted on VAuctions.......
MIP AVRELIANVS AVG instead of IMP AVRELIANVS AVG.
Barry Murphy
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I always find it interesting to see the results of auctions like this one. How will the market react to an obvious misspelling like MIP compared, for example, to the Probus types with variant legends (lacking PF or super long form). Of course we have to factor in things like whether people prefer 90% silvering to 100% glossy brown surfaces and other factors. One sale only shows who showed up on that particular day but overall, how much do we collectors as a group add value for errors in spelling as opposed to intentional variations?
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Ave!
Galeria Valeria with mis-spelled Rev.
Should read VENERI VICTRICI - In this case we read VENERI VCITRICI.
Sweet!
Best,
Kevin
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Great hits!
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May be that this is of interest for someone:
Legend errors of Nikopolis ad Istrum
I have asked for legend errors on Provincial coins some time before. Here I have the statistics of legend errors of Nikopolis ad Istrum from my collection. Naturally this statistics is biased because I have paid especial attention for legend errors.
In the moment I have 409 of Nikopolis coins of which 52 have legend errors = 12.7%
Types of errors:
(1) wrong letter 10
(2) missed letter 12
(3) several missed letters 5
(4) additional letter 3
(5) several additional letters -
(5) interchanged letters 1
(6) inverted letter 1
(7) retrograde letter 1
(8) retrograde legend 7
(9) corrected errors 2
Emperors:
pseudo-autonomous 1 of 4 25.0%
Commodus 5 of 21 23.8%
Severus 7 of 105 6.7%
Domna 1 of 3 33.3%
Caracalla 10 of 51 19.6%
Geta 1 of 16 6.3%
Macrinus 2 of 42 4.7%
Diadumenian 5 of 35 14.3%
Elagabal 16 of 92 17.4%
Gordian III 4 of 29 13.8%
The fact that the coins of Commodus were struck very poorly is well known. Beyond that I have expected that the most legend errors would occur on the so-called 'Einer' of Severus, his small coins struck in a huge number of different types. But actually it is Elagabal who has won the race with the errors on his big coins.
Best regards
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Here are a few flavian coins with legend error:
1) RIC 837 of Domitian: it's a Thracian sestertius of Domitian, minted in 82 a.D.; the error is in the emperor's name.
Obverse regular legend is: : IMP DOMITIAN CAES DIVI VESP F AUG PM TR P PP COS VIII
This coin has: : IMP DOMITIANI CAES DIVI VESP F AUG PM TR P PP COS VIII
2) RIC 509 of Titus: another Thracian sestertius of Domitian, minted in 80-81; the error is in the consulate's number (V instead of VII)
Obverse regular legend is: CAES DIVI AUG VESP F DOMITIANUS COS VII
This coin has: CAES DIVI AUG VESP F DOMITIANUS COS V
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And two more:
3) RIC 383 of Domitian: it's a common Domitian's as with Moneta on reverse, but there is a wrong double G.
Obverse regular legend is: MONETA AVGVST S C
This coin has: MONETA AVGGVST S C
4) RIC 483 of Vespasian: it's a dupondius of Titus, minted in 72 a.D.; there's a "X" missing on the reverse legend.
Obverse regular legend is: ROMA VICTRIX S C
This coin has: ROMA VICTRI S C
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Great examples!
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This is a really nice thread!
I am not posting images, as they should be available on the internet anyway. My two favourite Philip the Arab errors are as follows - both coins I have sold later on:
1. Rome mint Aeqvitas reverse type with ANNONA AVG reverse legend - illustrated on Jim's Philp page.
2. Antioch mint Philip I "PAX ORBIS" reverse coin with a "caesar" bust.
The only Otho misspelling I have seen, RIC 16 with VICTORIA OTHONS reverse instead of OTHONIS reverse - sold via FORUM, image there. Three coins of this die are known. Misspelled dies from Rome during thistime are very rare. There is a neat article on these, but I could not find it now - most likely by Kent. Curtis may remember?
s.
Jyrki Muona
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Aemilianus anto from 10th Nudelman auction.
IOVI CONSERVAF instead of IOVI CONSERVAT
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FlaviusD,
Thanks for showing your four coins, though I have doubts about some of the readings.
MONET AVGGVST is nice. Is obverse COS X (RIC 221) or COS XI (RIC 303)? Probably RIC 303, and your 383 above is a typo?
I have reservations about your other three errors, however.
Your no. 1: I read the normal DOMITIAN, not DOMITIANI.
No. 2: The letters VS COS V at the end of the obverse legend look tooled to me. I think the original die must have shown the correct COS VII, not COS V.
No. 4: Your coin shows signs of rough cleaning, and there is space at the end of the reverse legend for the normal VICTRIX, with an X after VICTRI, so I suspect that the cleaner merely removed that original X. In fact we have on consignment a dupondius from that same die pair, collection Harry Sneh purchased from Tom Cederlind, where the correct reading VICTRIX is perfectly clear.
Jyrki,
Yes, the article about legend errors is by Kent, from an obscure Hungarian festschrift. I have a printout of a copy of this article that you sent me some years ago!
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FlaviusD,
Thanks for showing your four coins, though I have doubts about some of the readings.
MONET AVGGVST is nice. Is obverse COS X (RIC 221) or COS XI (RIC 303)? Probably RIC 303, and your 383 above is a typo?
I have reservations about your other three errors, however.
Your no. 1: I read the normal DOMITIAN, not DOMITIANI.
No. 2: The letters VS COS V at the end of the obverse legend look tooled to me. I think the original die must have shown the correct COS VII, not COS V.
No. 4: Your coin shows signs of rough cleaning, and there is space at the end of the reverse legend for the normal VICTRIX, with an X after VICTRI, so I suspect that the cleaner merely removed that original X. In fact we have on consignment a dupondius from that same die pair, collection Harry Sneh purchased from Tom Cederlind, where the correct reading VICTRIX is perfectly clear.
Curtis, many thanks for your appreciation.
You're certainly right concerning Moneta, it's RIC 303 not 383.
You're right on my no. 1 too: I've been misleaded by the lettering.
Not sure regarding No. 2, though I trust your knowledge.
Same for No. 4 (Lanz wrote: "Vs: T CAESAR VESPASIAN IMP III PON TR POT II COS II Büste mit Strahlenkrone nach rechts.
Rs: ROMA VICTRI (sic !)".
I post larger pictures of the sections involved.
Kind regards.
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I already started a topic about it before I saw this one.
FEL TEM REPA-RATIO instead of FEL TEMP REPA-RATIO
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Yes, the 'P' is missing. Great stuff!
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This sestertius from Philippus I has a strange reverse legend.
It should be: TRANQUILLITAS AUGG
Mine is: TIINQUILLITAS AUGG (the first G is also a bit strange).
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I had purchased a Vrbs Roma sometime ago just cause I liked it and the price and when I posted it on another forum, Doug pointed out a rotated R on the reverse. Not sure if it's a known type or not. I thought it make it pretty cool once he noticed it.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=3303&pos=35
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One of my new Provincials:
Moesia inferior, Markianopolis, Septimius Severus, AD 193-211
AE 27, 12.74g, 27.41mm, 195°
struck under governor Julius Faustinianus
obv. AV KL CEPTI - CEVHROC P
Bust, draped and cuirassed, laureate, r.
rev. V I FAVCTINIANOV MARAKIANOPOLI(sic!) / TWN
Homonoia, in long garment and mantle, wearing kalathos, holding in l. arm cornucopiae and in
outstretched r. hand patera
ref. a) not in AMNG:
cf. AMNG I/1, 569
b) not in Varbanov (engl.):
cf. #797 (= AMNG 569)
c) not in Hristova/Jekov:
rev. No. 6.14.36.1 var. (different legend break, without legend error)
obv. f.e. No. 6.14.7.8 (Apollo, same die)
rare, about VF, nice blue-green patina
from Forum Ancient Coins, thanks!
Interesting legend error on rev.
Best regards
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One of my new Provincials:
Moesia inferior, Markianopolis, Septimius Severus, AD 193-211
AE 27, 12.74g, 27.41mm, 195°
struck under governor Julius Faustinianus
obv. AV KL CEPTI - CEVHROC P
Bust, draped and cuirassed, laureate, r.
rev. V I FAVCTINIANOV MARAKIANOPOLI(sic!) / TWN
Homonoia, in long garment and mantle, wearing kalathos, holding in l. arm cornucopiae and in
outstretched r. hand patera
ref. a) not in AMNG:
cf. AMNG I/1, 569
b) not in Varbanov (engl.):
cf. #797 (= AMNG 569)
c) not in Hristova/Jekov:
rev. No. 6.14.36.1 var. (different legend break, without legend error)
obv. f.e. No. 6.14.7.8 (Apollo, same die)
rare, about VF, nice blue-green patina
from Forum Ancient Coins, thanks!
Interesting legend error on rev.
Best regards
MARAKIANOPO :Greek_Iota: :Greek_Lambda:(sic!)
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Why that?
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The post was corrected to LI while the coin reads IL.
The reverse of this Salonina reads ROMAE ATERNAE where AETERNAE is expected.
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My error, I read it wrong upside down. Sorry.
The reverse of this Salonina reads ROMAE ATERNAE where AETERNAE is expected.
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Thanks. I confess I was a bit confused.
Jochen
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My new shot: Trebonianus Gallus anto from Antiochia with 2 huge errors on reverse legend: ADVNTVS AVS (instead of ADVENTVS AVG):
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Nice find! But it was a bad time for Rome.
Jochen
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My new shot: Trebonianus Gallus anto from Antiochia with 2 huge errors on reverse legend: ADVNTVS AVS (instead of ADVENTVS AVG):
ADVNTVS certainly makes the grade here but I am unwilling to accept as an error an Eastern coin with AVS. There were those of us over the last couple thousand years that believed a proper abbreviation ends with the last letter of the larger word so AVgustuS might be intentional if not the way the home office back in Rome might have done it.
I also know that some of you think I'm being difficult when I ask which of these coins is unlisted in the standard references RIC and BMC.
RIC 362 and BMC 338 were listed based on the coin in the British Museum collection (Pl. 15. 9.) which is short legend on the right reverse. The editors assumed the coin ended in AVG but the coin is a die duplicate of the coin below which reads AVS.
(http://www.pbase.com/dougsmit/image/136066702.jpg)
Such an error is quite understandable when dealing with part legend coins but the coin below is an exact match for the listing ending in AVG so it turns out that the error actually listed a coin but now the one they had in hand.
(http://www.pbase.com/dougsmit/image/136066703.jpg)
Going back a bit, Cohen listed the coin with AVG ending as number 738 quoting as source "Wiczav" which is not known to me (anyone have or know of this?). I do not know if this pre-1880's listing was photo or line drawing illustrated and I don't know which of the two was the source of Cohen/i]Wiczav[/i] quote. I did find references to plates in a listing of a work by that name on Hellenistic coins so the possibility exists that the question is answered on one of those compilations of out of print coin books CD's which I don't own.
A lot of new things have cropped up in the centuries since some of our numismatic works were fresh. Whether some of them are errors or just different is not always clear to me. What are we to assume when an old, unillustrated listing is found but we have no coin that matches it. Was the coin lost or was the listing in error? I hope future editions of comprehensive books will continue to list things no longer confirmable but it would be nice if they were so marked rather than just quoted with authority.
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ADVNTVS certainly makes the grade here but I am unwilling to accept as an error an Eastern coin with AVS. There were those of us over the last couple thousand years that believed a proper abbreviation ends with the last letter of the larger word so AVgustuS might be intentional if not the way the home office back in Rome might have done it.
Dear Doug,
Thanks for your comment. I didn't find AVS example in Treb. Gallus coinage. Not found on Richard Beale's site too:
http://sonic.net/~rbeale/mysite/Gallus%20Antioch%20First%20and%20Second%20Issue.htm
http://sonic.net/~rbeale/mysite/Gallus%20Antioch%20Third%20Issue.htm
Here is the information about Wiczay (at end with 'y' not 'v') and his book on Google books:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=Wiczay
Tibsi
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Here is the information about Wiczay (at end with 'y' not 'v') and his book on Google books:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=Wiczay
Tibsi
Thank you very much. Unfortunately the book covers Provincials so the coin in question did not make the list. However knowing that the collection was dispersed but Cohen did not code it as being in one of the major collections (B, F, V) opens the possibility that the coin did not come to the British Museum until after Cohen or that it is a different one (even mine). This is one of my more treasured coins since it is ex Bickford-Smith (a friend). I have no idea where he got it.
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The AVS reverse die links the A.D. 193 issue with the AVG II C issue. I won't show my 193 example as it doesn't add anything (same die pair) and is in pitiful condition compared to Doug's lovely example. I will illustrate my II C example though.
(https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/normal_RI_064gk_img.jpg)
Regards,
Martin
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ADVNTVS certainly makes the grade here but I am unwilling to accept as an error an Eastern coin with AVS. There were those of us over the last couple thousand years that believed a proper abbreviation ends with the last letter of the larger word so AVgustuS might be intentional if not the way the home office back in Rome might have done it.
As Tibsi points out, no other coins ending in AVS are known for Trebonianus Gallus, and the normal type is ADVENTVS AVG, so the coin with reverse ADVNTVS AVS is more likely a mix between legend ADVENTVS AVG and PAX AVGVS... And the fact that there is a 2nd error in the same legend goes in that direction in my opinion.
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The AVS reverse die links the A.D. 193 issue with the AVG II C issue. I won't show my 193 example as it doesn't add anything (same die pair) and is in pitiful condition compared to Doug's lovely example. I will illustrate my II C example though.
Regards,
Martin
What this does bring up as a question is which came first. We assume the obverse legend ending AVG to be earliest and see the two reverses both used with the same obverse die. The AVS reverse is used with what is considered to be a later obverse ending IIC. Later still the type (but not the same die) ending AVG appears with a COS I die. This thread covers errors but errors can be random or patterened based on a difference of expectations or culture. For example the COS I obverse die here uses PEPT for PERT since a Greek language die cutter had trouble with the 'foreign' letter R. My point or question here is whether the S ending was an error of what that one cutter believed to be the correct abbreviation for Augustus. We will never know.
(http://www.pbase.com/image/136092158.jpg)
It gets worse. I also believe that this COS I obverse die started reading CEP CEV but had the two Greek form C letters corrected to Latin S. All this was the subject of an old page of mine:
http://dougsmith.ancients.info/feac6.html (http://dougsmith.ancients.info/feac6.html)
A similar error based on language is this Provincial is shown on this Latin language Colonial of Deultum.
(http://www.pbase.com/image/136092324.jpg)
The cutter forgot he was working in Latin where the correct title would be Augusta and abbreviated the Greek word Sebasta using Latin letters (SEB not CEB as it would have been in Greek). Coins of Deultum come both ways but it is not usually considered worthy of note by sellers:
http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=159752 (http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=159752)
http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=132077 (http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=132077)
What makes ancient coins interesting is that they are not perfect little clones of a master hub. This continuing thread has shown that quite well.
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here is an extremely rare error in Roman coinage, 2 letter missing on the reverse, usually some coins can be wrong or only 1 missing letter
Picture are picture of the seller, I'm still waiting for the coin...
IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right seen from behind
LIBERATAS(must be LIBERALITAS) AVG III Liberalitas standing left holding abacus in left hand and 1 single cornucopia in right hand
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Great shot! I was bid for this coin on eBay but the seller cancel it since he sold it directly for $100. This was unfair action. Then he offered it to me for $110 but I refused...
Here is an example in this lot with an another legend error: ROMAE AETERNE (without pictures):
http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=22364
Please make a better picture about it!
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Another specimen with LIBERATAS, same rev. die: Gemini IV, 2008, G. His Coll., lot 460, first coin.
The second coin in the same lot was the ROMAE AETERNE error Tibsi refers to, here with illustration, reportedly the same coin as the unillustrated Trau Sale lot 2644, which is cited in RIC 70 note.
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thanks for this answer dear Tibsi, the seller when he saw the error on reverse asked to some others dealer what can be the worth of this coin, and he changed the price from $100 to $200... but I'm happy to get it even if price is quite expensive...
The ROMAE AETERNE is aviable in picture on wildwinds (RIC 70 note) and here is a picture of my own specimen (from different reverse die)
Did you won the overstrucked antiochene radiate?
Thanks both for remember me the existence of the LIBERATAS in the His collection, I did completely forget it...
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Vetranio centenionalis
Unknown mintmark: •TS• (instead of •TSA•, •TSB• or •TS :Greek_Delta:•
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Tibsi - its been tooled and altered. Sorry!
Walter Holt
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I don't see any modification.
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I don't see any modification.
Sorry friend, but I do not see how it could be missed! :(
The lettering has been "enhanced" and the fields smoothed.
If this was sold to you as genuine and unaltered - get a refund!
Walter
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I bought it as geniue. Here is the seller's picture.
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It looks all wrong.
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An easy one: AVG instead of AVGG Same coin is in the Beast Coins collection.
Frans
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My friend's Valerian I. AE27 from Viminacium:
This: P M S COOL VIM / AN XVI
Original: P M S COL VIM / AN XVI
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PROVIDENTIAE 'cAVSS'
AVGG more or less changed into CAESS
Frans
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here is a new error for you.
arrived about 1 year's ago in my collection, this coin is the 4th specimen actually known with this obverse legend, 2 obverse dies ares known with this mistake and each obverse die is known for 2 coins of the same type.
the first obverse die is know by 2 specimens and they are both in museums, the obverse legend is PAX AVGVSTI, the 2 coins are in the British Museum and in the Ashmolean museum.
Here is the second type: CONCORDIA AVG
My coin, slightly overstruck at the obverse
IMP CAE M ANT GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG
CONCORDIA AVG
the coin of the same obverse die from the British Museum, (thanks to Mr Abdy and Bland for the picture)
IMP CAE M ANT GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG (même coin d'avers)
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Very nice!!
Frans
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Trbonianus Gallus AE25
Obv. IMP C GALLVS P FELIX AVG, laureate, draped, cuirased bust rt. seen from back.
Rev. PMS COL VI the M is missing, Moesia standing, hands outstreched over a lion and a bull
Vicinacium mint
Has anyone seen one like this thank you very much.
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Clodius Albinus, denar:
IMP CAES D CLO ALBIN AVG
SEP AVG COS II (pro SPE ...)
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Gordianus III. anto:
Rev: LIBER LITAS AVG III (instead of LIBERALITAS)
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Could it be read as:'LIBERALTAS"?
Frans
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The LIBER and TAS letters are clean-cut but the L (A or L?) and I (I or T?) aren't...
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so you are the winer... I tryed to bid on this coin but I was to low... congratulation!
with your new picture, I think it's an A.
thanks for sharing and once again, congratulation!
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I'm staying to 'L'.
There are two examples for interesting style of 'L' on Gordian antos:
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thanks for sharing the picture, of course with this new information, the L seems to be the best possibility...
once again, congratulation
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Did you get already the Gordian anto with LIBERATAS... legend? If yes please share a better picture about it!
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Yes I get it, I will do the picture tomorrow (because too late this evening) and load it.
Regards
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here is the new picture of my LIBERATAS coins
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Great shot!
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Great news from Gert:
Otacilia Severa antoninianus
Obv.: OTACIL SEVERA AVG
Rev.: PIETAS AVGVSTES (instead of AVGVSTAE)
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Hi guys!
Here is my new shot for €58:
Philip I. antoninian from Antioch
Rev: AEQVTAS AVGG
Orig: AEQVITAS AVGG
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here it is my most recent addition
Carus
IMP CM AVR CARVS PF AVG
FIDES MILITVM
PXXIT
RIC V-2, 71a Ticinum
images are from the seller, but you can see error
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I see a simple IMP M AVR CARVS P F AVG
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uh I seem to have overlooked this variant
do i have to delete my posts?
sorry
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This piece is not but the IMP C M AVR... is a known legend variant.
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The Carus is a regular issue RIC 71f.
La Venera 15 specimen, no legend legend error for this antoninianus. ;)
Ed
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M(sic)N - MR?
One for this thread, I think.
Bill R.
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Wow. And look at the angle that the field legend versus the exergual legend is on. Very odd.
Looks otherwise fairly good style, but this bad lettering makes me think of an imitative.
Shawn
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The style, I think, is rather too good for an imitative. My own guess would be that perhaps the engraver unconsciously slipped into thinking in Greek, though still writing in Latin script, of course. The Greek root mnē- covers the family of words including ‘remember’ (mnēmoneuō, mimnēskomai), ‘memorial’ (mnēmosynon), ‘remembrance’ (anamnēsis), etc. Or maybe he had just had a late night, and turned up for work half asleep.
Bill R
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Volusianus billon anto from Antiochia. The portrait is take after his father Trebonianus Gallus.
Obverse: IMP C C VIB VOLVSIANVS AVG
Reverse: AEQVTAS AVG (instead of AEQVITAS AVG)
Under portrait and Aequitas: VI mintmark
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Philippus I. antoninian from Rome!
Obverse: IMP M IVL PHILIPPVS AVG
Reverse: LIBERLITAS AVGG II (instead of LIBERALITAS AVGG II)
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Congratulation, 2 realy great coins!
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Yes, I agree, especially the Philip, as you don't see many slip ups at the Rome mint at this period of time.
Regards
Gert
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Here is my last adding
Avers: IMP GORIANVS PIVS FEL AVG radiate and cuirassed bust right seen from behind
Revers: MARTI PACIFERO Mars advancing left, holding shield on right arm and branch in left hand
only the second specimen known
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Amazing shot!
You got the best of me in bids. But the final price is too high. If you or me didn't see the error then the final price is 34.77 USD not 236.5...
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the 1st specimen was sold on beastcoins from Vel Garnett Collection in 2008 for $250 so it's not realy expensive this time ;)
I think we was only 3 to see the error, but the 3rd guy did but the Vel Garnett specimen^^
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This lot was the best for $250: lot of 3 antoniniani, Antioch mint, with engraving errors in their legends (LIBEPALITAS, GORIANVS, POMAE):
http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=16414
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Yes of course but I wasn't customer of Harlan J Berk at that time, some of my friends wasn't too... so we didn't bid and of course prices was lowest, now I know more than 10 collectors specialist of Gordian so prices are allways high...
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Gordian III. anto from Rome! Unique.
AEQVTAS AVG (instead of AEQVITAS AVG)
4.72 g, 22 mm
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congratulation my friend ;)
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Same errors from Macrianus and Quietus: AEQVTAS (instead of AEQVITAS).
Are these consequent error?
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Yes, under Macrianus and Quietus 'AEQVTAS' is the rule. Finding a coin with AEQVITAS would be the engraving error for these!
Regards
Gert
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New shot from Antiochia mint!
This obverse: IMP CAE M ANT GORDIANVS AVG
Original obverse: IMP CAES M ANT GORDIANVS AVG
Unique obverse legend error for PROVIDENTIA AVG reverse.
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Sorry, the emperor's name is missing: Gordian III.
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I think this Dupondius of Maximinus Thrax fits in here, the reverse says
SALVS AVGVSIT instead of
SALVS AVGVSTI
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-80867
(https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/26488/Maximinus_Dupondius_1_thumb.jpg)
Valete
Gabriel
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IMP TRAIANVS DECIUS AVG
ADENTVS AVG instead of adventvs avg
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New shot from Antiochia mint!
This obverse: IMP CAE M ANT GORDIANVS AVG
Original obverse: IMP CAES M ANT GORDIANVS AVG
Unique obverse legend error for PROVIDENTIA AVG reverse.
sorry but it's not an uniqyue obverse legend, I did already publish 2 from the same obverse die on the 1st page of this topic (different reverse) 1 is mine and the other is at the BM ;)
I actually know 4 coins with this obverse legend... and 2 obverse dies (the 4th coin is at the ashmolean museum)
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sorry but it's not an uniqyue obverse legend, I did already publish 2 from the same obverse die on the 1st page of this topic (different reverse) 1 is mine and the other is at the BM ;)
I actually know 4 coins with this obverse legend... and 2 obverse dies (the 4th coin is at the ashmolean museum)
OK, I see but I wrote: "Unique obverse legend error for PROVIDENTIA AVG reverse."
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Great shots are the Thrax and the Decius coins! Congratulations!
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Barbaric Volusianus antoninianus.
Obverse: IMP CAE C VIB VOLVSIANV AVG
Original: IMP CAE C VIB VOLVSIANO AVG
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sestertius - mint I
IMP C POSTVMVS P F AVG
SALV(sic) MILITVM
SC
mixture between SALVS AVG and FIDES MILITVM
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Volusianus antoninanus from Antiochia
Reverse: AEQVTAS AVG
Original: AEQVITAS AVG
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Hi my friends,
I have in my gallery one CONSTANS coin, with legend errors the on the reverse side.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=3919
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-85137
FEL•TEMP•RPARATIO
instead of
FEL•TEMP•REPARATIO
The "E" are missed.
regards
quadrans
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Arcadius follis (22mm, 4.9g)
Obv.: DN ARCADIVS P F AVGVSIVS (instead of AVGVSTVS)
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Gallienus billon antoninianus
Rev.: AEQVTAS AVG (instead of AEQVITAS AVG)
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IMP CAES GORDIANVS PIVS AVG
LIBIRALITAS AVG II instead of LIBERALITAS AVG II
2 specimens known, the second in a private German collection
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Is there a second error too, LIBIRAIITAS, or has the second L in that word simply lost its bottom stroke through die filling or coin wear?
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Donolli have an other specimen with same die and here is picture
it's simply a lots bottom ;)
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Severus Alexander denar
LIBERITAS AVG (instead of LIBERTAS AVG)
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This is so rare on early imperial bronzes. I bid on the coin and lost out due to computer lock up, I was so upset. Well here it is: CNG auction
Nero & Drusus Caesar. Died AD 31 and 33, respectively. Æ Dupondius (29mm, 15.36 g, 6h). Rome mint. Struck under Gaius (Caligula), AD 40-41. Nero and Drusus on horseback right / C CAESAR DIVI AVG PRON AVG P M TR P IIII P P P EX, legend around large S C. RIC I 49 var. (rev. legend; Gaius).
Apparently unrecorded with the reverse legend ending P EX.
Here is the inscription normally
Nero & Drusus Caesar. Died AD 31 and 33, respectively. Æ Dupondius (15.64 g, 6h). Rome mint. Struck under Gaius (Caligula), AD 39-40. NERO ET DRVSVS CAESARES, Nero and Drusus on horseback riding right / C. CAESAR. DIVI. AVG. PRON. AVG. P. M. TR. P. III. P. P. around large S. C. RIC I 42 (Gaius); BMCRE p. 156, n. ‡; BN -
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HI all
VOLUSIANUS :laugh:
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Great!
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Hi everybody.
I have this Probus Antoninianus (below). Unfortunately, I left the coin at my parents' home this summer, so this is the best photo I have.
On the obverse I note a possible error. Instead of PROBVS it looks like PROSVS (?). Does anybody see the same thing?
I know the coin needs to be cleaned (hopefully I will get to it).
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Gordian III. antoninianus from Antiochia
Obv.: IMP CAES M NT GORDIANVS AVG instead of IMP CAES M ANT GORDIANVS AVG
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2nd expamle of Gordian's AEQVITAS AVG! The reverse sides are same. The unique status was lost but they're very rare yet.
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Could not resist this legend error. From the Antioch mint, Severus Alexander, IP not IMP
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Wow! Great shot!
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Vespasian... eastern mint denarius.
Reverse legend reads, ION MAX TR P COT II... should be PON MAX TR P COS II.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=4439&pos=1
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IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG
SAECVLI LELICITAS (instead of FELICITAS)
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CONSTANTINVS dot FIL dot AVGG
VIRTVTI V-XERCITVS
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IMP CAE L SEP SEV PERT AVG COS II
S P Q R OPTIMO PBINCIPI
AFAIK the type without the error is rarer .
How can you clean the find "patina" without eliminating the toning beneath ?
Thanks in advance.
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mine: L AL AVREL COMM AVG P FEL
original: L AEL AVREL COMM AVG P FEL
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switched letters
mine: BPETANNIKOE ΘCCCAΛONI
original: BPETANNIKOC ΘECCAΛONI
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I haven't seen any Greek there, so here is one:
mine: BAΣIΛEΩΣ / APIAPAΘOY / EYΣBOYΣ
original: BAΣIΛEΩΣ / APIAPAΘOY / EYΣEBOYΣ
Plus there is :Greek_Lambda: :Greek_Gamma: instead of usual :Greek_Gamma: :Greek_Lambda: as a reign year but it probably isn't a mistake.
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Otacilia Severa antoninianus.
This: PIETAS AVGVSTE
Orig.: PIETAS AVGVSTAE
Poor quality but very rare legend error. Rome mint? The last 'T' letter is a little lame.
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switched letters
mine: BPETANNIKOE ΘCCCAΛONI
original: BPETANNIKOC ΘECCAΛONI
Your coin looks heavily tooled, though.
Lars
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my last adding
IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG radiate, draped and cuirassed but right seen from behind
LIBERLITAS AVG III Liberalitas standing left holding abacus and cornucopia
second specimen, known after tibsi's specimen
picture are dealer's picture because my camera is out...
I now have the 3 variety know of this antoninianus!
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Wow! Great shot, congratulation! +++
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Septimius Severus. Eastern early IMP VIII
Obv:- L - SEPT SEV PE-RT AVG IMP VIII, laureate head right
Rev:- LIERTA (sic.) AVG, Liberalitas standing left, holding abacus in right hand, cornucopiae in left.
Reference:– BMC -. RIC -. RSC -.
This error (LIERTA for LIBERTA) not noted in the major references.
Martin
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Herennia Etruscilla antonininanus from Antiochia
Rev.:ROMAE TERNAE AVG
Orig.: ROMAE AETERNAE AVG
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Geta, Roma 209, RIC 61 b. AR ↓ 2,58g; 18,5mm.
RV. : PONTF COS II
Orig. : PONTIF COSII
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Salut! nu cred că e greșeală...cred că avea un „gunoi” în ștanță la litera I :)) „filled die”
Cu respect,
Ionutbd
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Salut! nu cred că e greșeală...cred că avea un „gunoi” în ștanță la litera I :)) „filled die”
Cu respect,
Ionutbd
In English please...
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Sorry! I said: I think it is a filled die on the letter „I”, so is not quite a misspelling :)
Thats all :)
Regards,
Ionutbd
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Yes, I agree.
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Hello everyone.
This As of Domitian (RIC 500) is in my collection from a long time, but I ain't been aware so far of its legend error.
Today I decided to take some new picture and there it is!
The obverse legend has GEM instead of GERM.
It's an already known engraver's error, since RIC mentions it for two coins of the same issue: # 489 (IOVI CONSERV note 47) and # 493 (MONETA note 49). There are no pictures in RIC, so I don't know if my coin is from the same die.
Kind regards
Alberto
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Rare Herennia Etruscilla antoninianus
Antiochia mint
This: VERITAS AVG
Orig: VBERITAS AVG
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Hi Tibsi it is nice!
Any way, I hope HOSTILIAN, AEQVTAS are interesting
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=84846.0
Hostilian (250-251 A.D.), AR Antoninianus, AEQV(I)TAS AVG, ,Caesar, Antioch, very Rare!,
avers:- C-OVAL-OSTIL-MES-COVINTVS-CAESAR, Radiate, draped bust right, "no dots" below bust !!,
revers:- AEQV(I)TAS-AVG, Equity standing left holding cornucopia and scales.
exe: -,
diameter: 22-22,5 mm,
weight: 3,48 g,
axis: 7 h,
mint: Antioch ,
date: 251 A.D.,
ref: RIC-194c variation, Not in RIC this revers legend and without dots below the bust, very Rare!
regards
quadrans
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I do also have an interesting Legend error on this Hadrian Sestertius.
Instead of DISCIPLINA the engraver engraved DISCIPVLINA in the exergue.
Simon
AE-Sestertius
OV: Draped bust with bare head to right.
Leg: HADRIANVS AVG COS III PP
RV: Hadrianus togate with scroll walking to right, behind him centurion and three Standartbearers.
Leg: - / S C
Ex: DISCIPVLINA AVG / in two lines
Rome
RIC 746
27.16 Gramms
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Strack 657-8 registers DISCIPVLINA not as an error, but simply as a correct alternate spelling.
He lists that spelling with Hadrian, officer, and 3 soldies in Berlin and Milan; ditto but 4 soldiers, in Hollschek Coll., Vienna.
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Many thanks for correcting me Curtis.
I've never seen this variety before, so i thought it may be an error. very interesting!
Simon
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Otacilia Severa antoninianus
PIETAS AVGVSTE (instead of PIETAS AVGVSTAE)
rare
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Philippus I. antoninianus
Rome mint
TRANQVILLIT AVGG (instead of TRANQVILLITAS AVGG)
only 2 pieces known
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Interesting engraver's error in obverse legend of Gordianus III.
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OM, NICE BRITANNICUS AT TOP OF THREAD.
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Like I said earlier in the thread, the Britannicus appears to be heavily tooled, unfortunately.
Lars
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True, but to me still ok.
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Aurelianus anto.
Orig.: IMP AVRELIANVS AVG
Here: IMP AVERLIANVS AVG
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Like I said earlier in the thread, the Britannicus appears to be heavily tooled, unfortunately.
Lars
Yes, you're right but you haven't chance to buy a very cheap Britannicus very often especially in Czech Republic. I think only Britannicus' head is tooled. Do you think legend is also tooled? Thanks.
Jan
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Billon Tetradrachm of Trajan, struck c.A.D.115 - 116 in Alexandria, Egypt.
Obverse: AVT TPIAN(sic) API CEB ΓEPM ΔAKIK. Laureate head of Trajan facing right, star in right field below chin.
Reverse: No legend. Diademed and draped bust of Zeus facing right, LI in left field, Θ in right (= regnal year 19 = A.D.115/116).
Diameter: 24mm | Weight: 12.39gms | Die Axis: 12
BMC.G: 356 (var)
Legend error TRIAN instead of TRAIAN.
*Alex
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Gordian denarius (from collection of mauseus).
Here: LAETITA AVG N
Orig: LAETITIA AVG N
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Well, this topic has been quiet for a while, so here's another misspelling to revive it.
It seems that AEQVITAS is often spelled AEQVTAS in a few of the coins posted here. It also seems that many of them are probably from Antioch. This Claudius Gothicus is supposedly from Rome (RIC 15).
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My newest shot:
Gordianus III. antoninianus
P M TR P III (instead of II) reverse legend with IMP GORDIANVS... obverse legend (instead of IMP CAES M ANT...)
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ROMAN EMPIRE / Galerius as Caesar (AD 293-305) Argenteus
Obverse : Laureate head of Galerius right
Reverse : Tetrarchs sacrificing before six-turreted enclosure, Gamma in exe.
Rome mint, 3rd officina Struck AD 295-297
MS (according to auction house ) , RIC 35b. RSC 183b.
**I believe there is an unusual misspelling of reverse legend.
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**I believe there is an unusual misspelling of reverse legend.
Is the PROVIDENTIA AVGG not the standard reverse legend?
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Hello Tibsi , to tell you the truth it was listed like that .
Since you mentioned this section – Thank You - by posting your coin.
So I posted this coin of mine here , maybe members know something.
Maybe they mean PRO the R looks like an A ?
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Maybe they mean PRO the R looks like an A ?
I can't decide it by this picture.
I'm have a similar pair: PAX AETERN or AETEAN?
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That R definitely looks like an A. I read AETEAN. Distracted engraver?
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I don't think that this is a legend error, but only a R which is open at top. This occurs not rarely.
Jochen
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That was my first impression, but the more I looked at it... The R in the coin on the left has brackets (little wiggles) that come out of it, which aren't present in the one on the right. I have also seen a number of R's that are open at top, but the stems (two vertical bars) on the letters are quite similar and have the same structure of other A's in the same legend. The right stem of the A in question is quite straight, and both brackets are the same length (an open R would probably have a slightly shorter right stem). As a point of comparison, the "P" at the beginning of the legend does have a bracket, which should be present in the R.
Or maybe I'm just seeing things!
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Yes, the 'A' letters have same shape.
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Interesting coin of Salonina Antoninianus legend error VENVS V(I)CTRIX
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-108405
Salonina (? - 268 A.D.), AE-Antoninianus, RIC V-I 031, Rome, VENVS V(I)CTRIX, Venus standing left,
avers:- SALONINA-AVG, Diademed draped bust right on crescent.
revers:- VENVS-V(I)CTRIX, Venus standing left, holding apple and vertical sceptre, shield at feet in left. Legend error I missing (VCTRIX).
exe:-/-//--, diameter: 21-22,5 mm, weight: 3,28 g, axis: 0 h,
mint: Rome, date: A.D., ref: RIC-V-I-031, p-, Göbl-232b, C-129a,
Regards
Q.
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Interesting coin of Salonina Antoninianus legend error VENVS V(I)CTRIX
Great shot!
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I went through all these messages and indeed, a neat thread this is! Very few early errors appear to exist from Rome, especially in silver or gold. Although this particular coin is already in my gallery, I thought of bringing it here as well. I have by this date seen more than 1500 Otho denarii or aurei (or pictures of them) and this reverse die is the only one with an error - OTHONS instead of OTHONIS!
s.
Jyrki Muona
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a new error in the LIBERALITAS AVG III series of Gordian III
LIRERALITAS AVG III instead of LIBERALITAS AVG III
(https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/images/lirera1.jpg)
here are others error I actually know and get
LIBERLITAS AVG III
LIBERATAS AVG III
my mule with obverse IMP CAES GORDIANVS PIVS AVG
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IMP GORIANVS PIVS FEL AVG
SAECVLI FELICITAS
GORIANVS instead of GORDIANVS
the 4th coin known with this error after the 3 MARTI PACIFERO (mine is below)
the 2nd obverse die known with this error
all the MARTIFERO are from same obverse die but from 3 different reverse dies
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Constantine III
the A is missing
DN CONSTN-TINVS PF AVG it must be DN CONSTAN-TINVS PF AVG
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Another example for GOR(D)IANVS legend error form my collection.
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Trebonianus Gallus antoninianus
Antiochia mint
Rev: AEQVTAS AVG (instead of AEQVITAS AVG)
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Philippus I. antoninianus
Rome mint
Obv: IMP M IVL PHILIPPVS AVG
Rev.: VICTORI(A) AVG
This specimen is known only.
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Hi,
My deified Victorinus with PROVIENTIA for PROVIDENTIA on the reverse
(https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11521/rjb_2014_08_03.jpg)
DIVO VICTORINO PIO
Radiate bust right
PROVIENTIA AVG
Providentia standing left
Mint 2, Posthumous
Elmer -, Cunetio -, Normanby -
Regards,
Mauseus
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Hi,
My Quietus with PROVGNATORI for PROPVGNATORI on the reverse.
(https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11521/rjb_2012_07_07.jpg)
Quietus 260-1 AD
AR antoninianus
Eastern mint
Obv "IMP C FVL QVIETVS PF AVG"
Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right
Rev "MARTI PROVGNATORI" (sic)
Mars walking right holding spear and shield
cf RIC 7
Regards,
Mauseus
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Hi,
LIRER for LIBER.
(https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11521/rjb_2010_10_07a.jpg)
Septimius Severus 193-211 AD
AR denarius
Obv "IMP CAE L SEP SEV PERT AVG COS II"
Laureate bust right
Rev "LIRER AVG" (sic)
Liberalitas seated left
Emesa mint
RIC cf401
Regards,
Mauseus
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Hi,
PVAX for PAX.
(https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11521/rjb_tet1_14_09_07.jpg)
IMP C TETRICVS PF AVG
Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right
PVAX AVG (sic!)
Pax standing left holding branch and sceptre
Mint 1, Issue 4
Elmer -; Cunetio 2605
Regards,
Mauseus
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Hi,
REOVX for REDVX.
(https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11521/Rjb_gallienus_1640cf_08_05.jpg)
Gallienus
Antoninianus
Antioch
Issue 13
FORTVNA REOVX sic
G - (cf 1640)
Regards,
Mauseus
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Great shots Mauseus!
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Hi Mauseus
It is a nice series of legend error coins..
Congratulation.. +++
Q.
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What do you think ?
Is this an error coin , or just the Y in EΣTFEΔIIYΣ turned into I , because of circulating ?
Your thoughts are appreciated.
Thank You,
Sam
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It looks I for me.
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Thank you Tibsi , so there is a possibility for this coin to be a mint error .
I do not even think the last Σ in EΣTFEΔIIYΣ is on the die too .
I doubt the the little remaining line after the last I is what left of the Σ because of the circulating.
Or
That little remaining line is just part of Y looks like this because of the circulating , the Σ just gone because of the same reason, and the coin is just a regular stater. No errors.
Sam
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Hi,
The reverse legend for this issue normally is MAC AVG . Except for specimens from this particular die : the engraver put the full name, thereby making an additional mistake. MACELLVS AVGVSTI instead of MACELLVM AVGVSTI
Regards,
Charles
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An interesting coin, that until now I hadn't known existed!
BMC p. 236, note *, reports such a dupondius as being in Naples, but casts doubt on the correctness of the reading MACELLVS.
In MacDowall's Nero and Sutherland's RIC I, I find no mention of the legend MACELLVS AVGVST. However, MacDowall 189, taken over by RIC 189 (coincidentally the same catalogue number in both works), reports a dupondius with the same obv. legend and bust type and with the Macellum rev. type, but supposedly legend MAC AVG, as being in that same collection, Naples, and nowhere else. I think it very likely that this is the same MACELLVS AVGVST coin described in BMC, but with the extraordinary rev. legend unfortunately not recorded.
Now, the Naples collection was stolen in 1977. Some of the coins were recovered, but if their MACELLVS AVGVST dupondius wasn't among them, I think it very likely that you now own the Naples coin! Your ownership should be secure, however, since there is no way to prove this hypothesis; the museum didn't possess photographs of its coin collection. Could you tell us where and when you acquired the coin, and incidentally its weight and die axis?
As to the legend, I wonder whether MACELLVS might not be a correct alternative masculine form for the neuter MACELLVM, which is perhaps attested only on this dupondius. One wouldn't expect a spelling error on a Roman coin of this era. For a Roman to get the gender of a word wrong would be like an English speaker referring to a woman as "him" or "it"! This was apparently the first labeled Macellum reverse die. The type had indeed appeared in the preceding issue without S C or mark of value, but there it was unlabeled, so the type was entirely anepigraphic. Your coin has S C and mark of value II, and the earliest form of obv. legend in this issue, with CLAVDIVS and GERM. So MACELLVS AVGVST was apparently the mint of Rome's first attempt to label this type, and the legend was then abbreviated to just MAC AVG on all later reverse dies.
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... Now, the Naples collection was stolen 1n 1977. Some of the coins were recovered, but if their MACELLVS AVGVST dupondius wasn't among them, I think it very likely that you now own the Naples coin! Your ownership should be secure, however, since there is no way to prove this hypothesis; the museum didn't possess photographs of its coin collection. Could you tell us where and when you acquired the coin, and incidentally its weight and die axis?
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Dear Curtis,
Thank you for your very interesting comments.
I posted this coin in my gallery a few years ago : https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-83869 .
Coin details: 13.4 g; 28mm; 6h. I aqcuired it from a well known Dutch dealer in 1995. But it is not the only known specimen. I attach a photo of a specimen from the same dies but in much better condition auctioned by Numismatica Ars Classica, 2 April 2008, Auction 45, Lot number: 91.
Regards,
Charles
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Charles,
Thanks for the information concerning your coin, and the reference to the other specimen, which as NAC 45 states had earlier been in their Sale 15, 1999, lot 309. They considered their coin unique, not having noticed the BMC note, and they had nothing to say about the unusual gender of the word MACELLVS.
I still think it likely that you now own the Naples coin. Note how AVGVSTI is mostly off flan on the reverse, explaining why it was misread AVGVST in the BMC note, presumably deriving from the Fiorelli catalogue of the Naples collection. The NAC coin clearly shows the correct reading, AVGVSTI !
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Gordianus denarius
LAETI(TI)A AVG N
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Trebonianus Gallus antoninianus
Antiochia mint
Rev.: AEQV(I)TAS AVG
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Gallienus antoninianus
L(A)ETITIA AVGG
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Full reverse legend error! Maybe it is an ancient imitation. 1st example.
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Of course, this form of error - a completely wrong rev. legend, Virtuti Augusti instead of Iovi Statori - makes this a very cool coin indeed. This need not necessarily be an imitation. What's the weight of this coin?
I have one such coin, an antoninian of Salonina from Antioch; the legend "Laetitia Aug" accompanies the normal type of Aequitas with scales and cornucopiae.
Congratulations from
Rupert
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Hi Rupert,
What a great coin!
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The Gordian's weight is 3.35g and the diameter is 22mm.
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Hi all
I have a Clodius Albinus the avers side the "C" are missed from the CAES:
Clodius Albinus (193-196 A.D. Caesar, 195-196 A.D. Augustus ), RIC IV-I 001a, Rome, AR-Denarius, PROVID AVG COS, Providentia standing left, Rare!,
avers:- D-CLODIVS-AL-BINVS-(C)AES, Bare head right.
revers:- PROVID-AVG-COS, Providentia standing left, holding wand over globe and scepter.
diameter: 17-18mm, weight: 2,79g, axis: 11 h ,
mint: Rome, date: 193 A.D., ref: RIC-IV-I-1a, p-44, C-58, S,
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-90727
Best regards
Q.
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Great piece!
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Great piece!
+++ :) ;) ;D
Q.
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Herennia Etruscilla viminacium bronze
Obv: HER ETRVSCLLLA AV instead of HER ETRVSCILLA AVG
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Nice example .. +++
Q.
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Here is my Probus
Original:PIETAS AVG
ERROR:PIAETAS AVG
I believe that the rarity is almost same between these 2 of them
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Apparently not an error but a spelling variety, similar to the CONSACRATIO-coins from Cologne (usually CONSECRATIO), or the NVMAERIANVS-Antoniniani.
Lars
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Amazing!
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Gordianus III.
ORIENS AVS (instead of AVG)
2nd known piece
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Nice pice ..:)
Congrats
Q.
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Rare Gordian III. hybrid antoninianus. The obverse legend is not for reverse legend.
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Philippus II. antoninianus from Antiochia.
R M TR P VI COS P P (instead of P M TR P VI COS P P)
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Gordianus III. antoninianus
P M TR I P CON P P (instead of P M TR P I COS P P)
Antiochia mint
very rare
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Vespasian RIC II 980. Obverse legend is AVS instead of AVG.
Full description:
Vespasian 69-79 A.D. AR Denarius. Rome mint. 77, July-78, Dec. A.D. (3.39g, 19mm, 6h). Obv: CAESAR VESPASIANVS AVS, laureate head right. Rev: IMP XIX across field. Modius with corn ears. RIC II 980, BMC 216, RSC 216.
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Both of them are interesting
congratulation
+++
Q.
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An error on the reverse of this Koinon of Macedonia
This: SEBATOS MAKEDONWN
Orig: SEBASTOS MAKEDONWN
- Javier
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VENR[I VI]C[TRICI] instead of VENERI VICTRICI
AEQVTAS AVG instead of AEQVITAS AVG
IVNONO CONS AVG instead of IVNONI CONS AVG
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Great shots! +++
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It's price was 375 EUR (+ buyer's fee). Unfortunately I didn't won this unique Gordian anto.
PAX AGVS AVG (instead of PAX AVGVSTI)
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Alexander III., Macedonia, Kings, (The Great, 323 - 317 B.C.), Price 0311, AE-18, Macedonian mint,
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-122069
The legend error the name of Alexander the :Greek_Delta: are missing
Regards
Q.
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Trajanus Decius antoninianus from Antiochia mint
IMP G M Q TRAIANVS DECIVS AVG (instead of IMP C M Q ..., Imperator Caesar Messius Quintus ...)
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Interesting ... ;) :) +++
Q.
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IOVIT S ATORI instead of IOVI S TATORI
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The Postumus is an ancient imitation of relatively good but unofficial style.
Lars
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Philippus II. AE from Antiochia
IMP N IVL PHILIPPVS P F AVG P M (instead of ... M IVL ...)
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Wow, great pieces!
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Valerianus II. antoninianus
PRINCIPI IVBENTVTIS (instead of ...IVVENTVTIS)
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That is a linguistic change (V to B), not a die cutter's error, however!
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PHRYGIA, Trajanopolis. Hadrian AE 15 Athena standing
Reference. Very rare.
cf. RPC 3 2471;Cf. Varbanov 2705.
Obv: KAICAP AΔPIANOC.
Laureate bust right, slight drapery on far shoulder.
Rev: TPIIANOΠOΛITΩN (sic).
Athena standing right, holding spear and resting hand upon shield.
2.42 gr.
15 mm.
Note.
Interesting misspelling of the ethnic on the reverse.
Normal legend:
ΤΡΑΙΑΝΟΠΟΛΙΤΩΝ
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-120103
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Philippus I. antoninianus
TRANQVILLITAS AVGG with mirrored Beta mintmark
very rare
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Dupe of both dies
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New shot! It's more rare than Philip II. version.
Philip I. antoninianus with R M TR P... instead of P M TR P.
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New shot! It's more rare than Philip II. version.
Philip I. antoninianus with R M TR P... instead of P M TR P.
+++ +++ +++
Q.
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Trajanus denarius
Obv.: ...N(E)RVA
1st example
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Trebonianus Gallus antoninianus
SACVLLVM NOVVM (instead of SAECVLLUM...)
1st known specimen
sold for 550 EUR
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Trebonianus Gallus antoninianus
SACVLLVM NOVVM (instead of SAECVLLUM...)
1st known specimen
sold for 550 EUR
Beautiful coin. Not only is it an interesting and unique error (unique unless another one surfaces!), but it is well struck with good detail.
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Gordianus III. denarius
LAETIA AVG N (instead of LAETITIA...)
very rare
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Gordianus III. denarius
LAETIA AVG N (instead of LAETITIA...)
very rare
The error is really interesting on its own, but additionally it's a great looking coin!
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Valerianus I. antoninianus
CONSERV(A)T AVGG
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Valerianus I. antoninianus
CONSERV(A)T AVGG
Interesting
Congratulation
so many interesting legend's error +++
Q.
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I knoe that this error has been seen here before from the same reverse die but....
ADVNTVS AVS
instead of ADVENTVS AVG
Martin
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Caracalla;
AVGSTOR - instead of the intended AVGVSTOR
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Trebonianus Gallus antoninianus
LIBERTAS PVBLICI (instead of ... PVBLICA)
unique
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Gallienus antoninianus
L(A)ETITIA AVGG
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Gordianus III. antoninianus
early Antioch issue
IMP GORIANVS... (instead of ...GORDIANVS...)
1st specimen with PAX reverse?
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I finally won my LAETIA AVG N instead of LAETITIA AVG N
so far I know, 2 specimens in Tibsi's collection, 1 on tesorillo.com and this one all from same reverse die
maybe 1 more in a publication I'm unable to find back... can someone confirm it or provide me a link to this publication?
Regards
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Should be: L AEL AVREL COMM AVG P FEL
Is: L AL AVREL COMM AVG P FEL
(https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/30537/thumb_00429.jpg)
My Galleries:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/index.php?cat=30537 (https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/index.php?cat=30537)
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Very Nice and interesting,
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Trajanus Decius antoninianus from Vinkovci Hoard (2009)
Obv.: ...BECIVS...
Rev.: VRERITAS AVG (instead of VBERITAS AVG)
Hrvoje Vulic: https://www.academia.edu/9834528/Ostava_antoniniana_iz_Vinkovaca_-_A_hoard_of_antoniniani_from_Vinkovci
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Gordianus III. antoninianus
Antiochia mint
IMP CAE M ANT... on obverse (instead of (IMP CAES M ANT...)
very rare
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Philippus I. antoninianus
IMP M IVL PHILILIPPVS AVG
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Gordianus III. antoninianus
IMP CAE(S) M ANT GORDIANVS AVG
Antiochia mint
unique with this reverse
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Philippus I. antoninianus
IMP M IVL PHILILIPPVS AVG
Hi Tibsi,
This is mine ..PHILI(LI)PPVS.. but different revers...:)
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-106102
Regards
Q.
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No Vaballathus?
Here we are:
O/ VABALATHUS V C R IM D R
R/ IMP C AVRELIANVS AVG
gr: 3,3
h: 12
Mint: Antioch
Always thought it was a difficult legend to engrave. ;)
Bye!
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Licinius - AE Follis
Obv:- IMP C VAL LICAN (sic) LICINIVS P F AVG, radiate draped and cuirassed bust right
Rev:- IOVI CONSERVATORI, Jupiter standing left, holding Victory and sceptre, eagle at foot left, captive at foot right, X II Mu right
Minted in Antioch (//SMANTZ). A.D. 321-323
Reference:- RIC VII Antioch 35 var (LICAN for LICIN)
(https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_155ak_img.jpg)
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Philippus II. antoninianus
P M TR (P) VI COS P P
2nd known example
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Hi Martin & Tibsi both are great coin :)
+++
Q.
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Yes, interesting variation +++
Q.
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Gordianus III. antoninianus
POMAE AETERNAE (instead of ROMAE...)
early Antiochia mint
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Philippus I. antoninianus
ROMAE AETERNAT (instead of ...AETERNAE)
extremely rare
from F. Óvári collection
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Both are great ... +++
Q.
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RIC VIII Alexandria 57
D N CONSTI-NS P F AVG
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I do not think it is a I but a badly made A ... I have seen many A like this one
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My Claudius II. Goticus Legend error here:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=114001.0
Q.
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great looking winner +++ +++
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I agree, +++
Interesting
Q.
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Is it a regular issue?
Philippus I. antoninianus
ADVENTV(S) AVGG
Sold on eBay for 40 USD .
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I would tentatively accept it as regular. Confirmation from a better specimen would be welcome.
The price seems high for a rather poor specimen of a common coin. Maybe the high bidder and his underbidder both also spotted the legend error. Was the error mentioned in the eBay description?
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Dear Board,
I would like to ask your opinion about this PHIILIPPVS ?
I think, at least hundreds were made of them (the reverse die rather worn), anyone met with its sibling? (are these kind of errors are "unique"s or only curiosities?)
Thank for your answer in advance!
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Interesting, because legend errors are rare on Roman imperial coins, and generally only occur on one die of the type.
Such errors are very easy to overlook. Maybe more like yours will turn up, now that you have pointed it out and specialist collectors who read this thread will be on the lookout for other specimens!
I think the wear on the reverse die doesn't tell us anything, since that die may well have been used with other, correct, obv. dies too.
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Thank you Curtis for the info!
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Hadrian Denarius Roma 132-34 AD Tranquillitas standing
normaly the reverse legend would end with P P
Reference.
RIC 222; RSC 1440
Obv. HADRIANVS AVGVSTVS.
Bare head, draped bust right, seen from rear
Rev. TRANQVILLITAS AVG P P COS III (sic)
Tranquillitas standing left, holding sceptre, resting left elbow on column.
3.09 gr
18mm
6h
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-149245
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Of course: Diocles and MAXIMIAS...!!!
:laugh:
IMP C M AVR VAL MAXIMIANVS P F AVG
IOV ET HERCV CONSER AVGG
:crescent: over S //XXI (Antioch mint)
Greetings
Zenon M.
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Nice find +++
Q.
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Valentinianus III
DN AVLENTINIA
sometime these coins were assigned to Avitus :)
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Herennia Etruscilla antoninian, Rome mint: HER ETRVS(C)ILLA AVG
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Gordian III antoninian from Antiochia.
- Libertas on reverse (instead of Liberalitas).
- LIBERALIITAS AVG (instead of LIBERALITAS AVG)
Known this piece only.
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Gordian III antoninian from Antiochia.
- ROMAE AETERMAE (instead of ROMAE AETERNAE)
Known this piece only.
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Obv:– DN CONSTANTIVS NOB CAES, Bare, bust draped and cuirassed right; A behind
Rev:– FEL TEMR (sic) PE-PARATIO (sic), Soldier spearing fallen horseman, who is bare helmeted, reaching back towards emperor
Minted in Trier (//TRP),
Reference:– RIC VIII Trier 354 var (S, Spelling errors)
3.50g. 21.39 mm. 0 degrees
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Hello, happy new year 2022
I have seen this thread and can provide some photos of my coins
in the first place this Galienus with the legend AETETNITAS AVG
I think a colleague has already put on one of these
(https://i.postimg.cc/50xYvmKL/gallienus-wolf-AETETNITAS-AVG.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/3ycxQ2Tx)
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another very interesting piece from my collection this time the correct version of the legend
there are much fewer pieces in this type of legend than those with a bad legend, a curious case
SPQR OPTIMO PRINCIPI its incorrect version would be S P Q R OPTIMO P "B" INCIPI and much more common
(https://i.postimg.cc/pL43pGTc/septimi-a-cavall.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TKjtscnn)
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I have some fun error coins of the Theodosian dynasty ;D
Gr Luuk
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Interesting coins, Luuk ;) :) +++
Joe/Q.
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Gordianus III. antoninianus
Antiochia mint
Obv.: ...GORDINVS... (instead of ...GORDIANVS...)
very rare
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Wow, rare +++
Joe/Q.
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Gordianus III. antoninianus
Antiochia mint
Rev.: POMAE... (instead of ROMAE...)
extremely rare
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Hi !
It is more interesting because of not only POMAE instead of ROMAE, but also ΛETERNAE instead of AETERNAE... ;) :) +++
Joe/Q.
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And on obverse: GORDIΛNVS :)
Hi !
It is more interesting because of not only POMAE instead of ROMAE, but also ΛETERNAE instead of AETERNAE... ;) :) +++
Joe/Q.
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Joe
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Omitting the crossbar on the letter A is a common occurrence on coins of Elagabalus, Severus Alexander, and Gordian III minted in Antioch. Just this afternoon I was looking at a pdf version of Roger Bland's 1991 unpublished thesis on the Antioch coins of Gordian III. On page 80, I noticed, he lists the errors in both obverse and reverse legends that he knew about. The POMAE error is listed there (see screen shot below) but the missing crossbar is not. Perhaps it is so common the he did not consider to be an error . . .
The practice of leaving out the crossbar of the letter A is still with us: Just look at the logo of the Korean auto company KIA. (Also see below.) If that last letter is pronounced as the Greek letter Λ it really is, then phonetically it produces an English word you don't want associated with automobiles. But this likely never crossed the minds of the marketing people in South Korea.
By the way - a very nice coin.
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Nice info... +++
Joe
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Herennius Etruscus antininianus
Rome mint
Rev.: ...NIENTVTIS... (instead of ...IVVENTVTIS...)
extremely rare
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Nice find... +++
Joe/Q.
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II. Philippus antoninianus
Antiochia mint
P M TR VI COS P P (instead of ... TR P ...)
very rare
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I'm not sure if this would fall into the error category, or if it is simply the result of a sloppy die cutter, but FL IVL ORISPVS NOB CAES, laureate head right Note die error w/ “O” instead of “C”
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DIVO VICTORINO PO. Better be PIO than PO !
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One coin from my collection. Postumus RIC 143
IMP C M CASS LAT POSVMVS P F AVG
POSVMUS should be POSTVMVS
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Y'all heard of Arcadius, but have you heard of our lord HRCHDIVS, the pious and happy HVGustus?
AE4 Arcadius, 1.05 gram, 378-383 AD, Cyzicus mint, RIC 20D
(yeah i know it's more a error of the letter font (clogging?) than a true legend error)
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Trebonianus Gallus antoninian
Antiochia mint
FELICITAS PFBL (instead of FELICITAS PVBL)
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Trajanus denarius
Obv.: ...N(E)RVA
1st example
Sunday greetings from Poland to the honorable FAC members.
Today, I want to proudly announce that I had a unique opportunity to get Trajan known example of an extremely rare Trajan's coin with the error in the Emperor's name. Interestingly... it's the same type, minted with the same die as the 1st one, published here a few years ago.
(https://i.ibb.co/gDxB8sj/N-RVA-lvcaromano.png)
I’m dreaming of beautiful pieces and I was betting that, maybe one day, as the crown of the years of collecting, I would have the chance of acquiring some rarity of my favorite emperor. Meanwhile... well. I cannot believe that I managed to obtain such a fantastic specimen. This process took me a while, but it's SIIIIICK! Such things did not actually happen in Rome (and not only) during the reign of Trajan.
There are some errors on Trajan’s coins, e.g. switching letters in abbreviation ARAB ADQVISIT from ADQ to DAQ and some typos in SPQR or OPTIMO PRINCIPI. These are rarities too, although errors of a totally different relevance.
🔸Minted in Rome 101 A.D.
🔸19mm/3,26g
🔸OBV: IMP CAES N_RVA TRAIAN AVG GERM, Head of Traianvs, laureate, right;
🔸REV: P M TR P COS IIII P P, Victoria walking left, holding a palm branch and a wreath
🔸Not in RIC and Woytek
Join me on Instagram for more pictures
https://www.instagram.com/p/CgHWZDuqf84/
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After quite some time, I have caught a mis-spelt coin again too!
RIC 59b var., the misspelling is easy to find, I won't have to point you to it but I think it's quite amusing. Especially since nobody but me noticed it. ;-)
Rupert
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Great!
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LLLovely
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A Salonina, reads VINO REGINA
I wonder if the die cutter did have a short career at the circus ?
Clueless
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Hi all
Lets continue this thread :D. I have this Valerian II coin with reverse: PRINPICI IVBENTVTIS, instead of PRINCIPI.
The IVBENTVTIS part is a spelling variant, not an error, and which only appears on Eastern coins during the joint reign of Gallienus and Valerian I.
See also reverse Gallienus RIC 615a: IVBENTVS AVG.
gr Luuk
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Wow, fun thread! I would've missed a lot of these if I wasn't looking for the error -- sometimes even then!
Here's a borderline case -- a very well-known type (IVDEA not IVDAEA) -- but is it really a mistake? I've seen it described that way many times. The question, and how to answer it, is what I find really interesting.
(For my example, there are related cataloging errors: The old collector tags -- Ken Bressett's and Mark Salton's -- both "hypercorrected" the spelling, transcribing it "IVDAEA"; CNG followed their spelling and cataloged it erroneously as a type from a different mint & later date [RIC 1233, Lugdunum, 77/8 CE]: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=9197336.)
The typical explanation (A.S. Walker, 15 May 2022, "Nomos 24 Highlights," Lot 397): “The reverse … is unusual for its curious legend, IVDEA CAPTA (not the expected IVDAEA)… the slightly unusual legend - Iudea rather than Iudaea - this was a die engraver's mistake, which was caused by the artisan engraving the name the way it was pronounced by the ordinary people of the time rather than the way it was properly spelled!”
I think there may actually be a strong argument against engraver error: It's not just one but multiple dies (RIC 305), plus another AE As (RIC 308, trophy not palm: https://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.2_1(2).ves.308), and a Sestertius (RIC 168: https://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.2_1(2).ves.168) -- all with the same IVDEA spelling.
This leads to trickier questions about what counts as "correct spelling" and what counts as an "error." If "Ivdea" wan alternate spelling in common usage, was it really incorrect? Is it still an error if the word was intentionally engraved with that spelling? To the extent that coins are "official documents," one might even argue that the coins show IVDEA to be one of the Roman state's two accepted spellings.
I'd be very interested to know what anyone else thinks.
(https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/27154/normal_Vespasian_IVDEA_CAPTA_AE_As.jpg)
Vespasian AE As (28mm, 9.40 g, 6h). Rome, 71 CE. Rev: IDEA CAPTA. (The first "A" in "IVDAEA" absent.)
References: Cohen 244; RIC II 305; Hendin (5th ed.) 1554 (b); OCRE (14 specs. ill.): https://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.2_1(2).ves.305 (https://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.2_1(2).ves.305)
Provenance: K. Bressett, M. Salton-Schlessinger, CNG Keystone Auction 6, 3156 [LINK] (https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=9197336).
Notes: CNG cataloged it in error as a IVDAEA type (RIC 1233). From the collector tags, it seems Ken Bressett and Mark Salton both misspelled it IVDAEA (despite having the correct Cohen reference)!
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=180831
A much better example from the same die pair (Heritage 3101 [25 Aug 2022], 35191): https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=9825221
Examples of the similar type (RIC 1233) with the "correct" spelling, IVDAEA: https://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.2_1(2).ves.1233
In favor of spelling error: On dozens of other types, and many non-numismatic inscriptions, the spelling is "IVDAEA." Outside of coins, I've been unable to find this spelling in other ancient inscriptions, but if anyone knows of other examples or has suggestions for searchable epigraphy databases, I'd love to know. ("MARCIA BONA IVDEA..." is reported in a non-scholarly work but not illustrated: W.H. William [1874: p.444] [LINK] (https://archive.org/details/catacombsofrome01with/page/444/mode/1up?q=ivdea). Interestingly, S.W. Stevenson misspelled IVDAEA DEVICTA as IVDEA in his Dictionary of Roman Coins, despite the accompanying line drawing with the correct spelling (1889, p. 491: [LINK] (https://www.forumancientcoins.com/Dictionary_Of_Roman_Coins/dictionaryByPage.asp?page=491)).)
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"AE" and "E" - this is an interesting topic.
Originally, "AE" was probably spoken "A-E" or "A-I" (about like "eye"). For example, German "Kaiser" (emperor) is said to be one of the very oldest Latin loan words in German, because it was borrowed at a time when Latin AE was still spoken "eye". Later, AE more and more approached E (or German Ä). Accordingly, Romans started mixing them up. I can show you a barbarian antoninianus of Tetricus II "CESAR". The other effect (over-compensation) also happened when mint-workers thought "Well, I'd write it PIETAS, so the correct spelling would probably be PIAETAS" - which occurs under Probus and his successors.
As for Jud(a)ea, I have a nice plated denarius of Vespasian which shows us still another spelling. One of my favourite ancient fakes.
Rupert
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Very interesting explanation, Rupert, I'm glad to learn about those details. Sometimes the linguistic history in coins can be as interesting as the political! That's a great group of variants to illustrate. I once had a fourree Judaea Capta denarius too (found in an uncleaned lot) -- a facing-left variant if I remember correctly. (Years on, I wish I didn't sell that coin!)
Elsewhere I noticed a Claudius Sestertius for sale currently with the legend spelled "CESAR."
I found an explanation for the IVDEA spelling from a 2016 Goldberg auction that's very consistent with your comments. This was for a Sestertius (Goldberg 90 [2 Feb 2016], 3046, https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2927890 (https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2927890)):
Vespasian Sestertius IVDEA CAPTA inscription
A remarkably rare spelling of the obverse inscription: IVDEA CAPTA; only one die is listed in RIC. This interesting variety of Vespasian's 'Judaea Capta' series is worthy of note, since it expresses a linguistic phenomenon occurring in the Latin-speaking world.
The more common inscription of IVDAEA is a Latinization of the Greek word Iudaia, with both the 'ai' in the Greek and the 'ae' in the Latin diphthong having a value similar to the long 'i' in 'high.'
In the late Republic and early Empire, in common speech as well as in non-formal writing, the 'ae' morphed into 'e'. This change is attested as early as in the essays of Marcus Terentius Varro, and the comedies of Plautus, as well as in graffiti of the period. Though there was an attempt for centuries to maintain the diphthong 'ae' in formal spelling, the Romance language evidence shows that eventually the linguistic change to 'e' had eventually spread across the entire Latin-speaking world.
We would like to suggest that the variant spelling of IVDEA on this [sestertius], rather than the more formal spelling of IVDAEA, reflects a 'creeping in' of the parallel spelling of 'e' instead of 'ae,' the written representation of a pronunciation that was current in many areas of the empire in the period.
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VINO REGINA ....
+++ +++ +++ the queen of wine :)
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You would think that they'd pay a lot of care for the quality of gold coinage, however during the time of Zeno there appear a lot of tremissis with spelling errors.
In fact, RIC 915 to 925 list all known variations.
This one i obtained recently and actually got two spelling errors, and is not in RIC. It is pretty banged up, unfortunately, however the reverse clearly shows the errors. There is a scratch, which might form the second I in VICTORIRIA, however even without it, it would still be an spelling error :)
gr Luuk
Obverse: DN ZENO PERP AVG
Reverse: VICTORIR[I?]A AGVSTORVM
Exergue: CONOB
Weight: 1.50 gram
Axis: 0600h
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Hello everyone,
Very interesting thread!
Here is another missing letter in reverse legend for this Philippus RIC. IVc 49b. I think Tibsi already showed a VICTORI AVG, here is a VICTORA AVG
Obverse: IMP M IVL PHILIPPVS AVG
Reverse : VICTORA AVG
Weight : 3.78 g
(https://i.imgur.com/YGycb8V.jpg)
Gustrot