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Offline cmcdon0923

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Re: My Judaean Collection Gallery
« Reply #75 on: May 11, 2023, 05:30:33 pm »
My most recent addition, an AE20 of Herod IV Philip, minted at Panias (Caesarea Philippi) in 8/9 AD.  Note the star countermark on the bust.  This designates it as Hendin's sub-variety "b".


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Re: My Judaean Collection Gallery
« Reply #76 on: May 11, 2023, 06:48:07 pm »
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Re: My Judaean Collection Gallery
« Reply #77 on: October 06, 2023, 03:49:40 pm »
My latest addition....

I was thrilled to acquire this one at what I felt was an absolute bargain price, especially given the almost full obverse legends, especially his name!

I'll get an image uploaded to my gallery shortly.

Aristobulus of Chalcis -  AE Oktachalkon (54-71/2 AD, struck under Titus)
Hendin-566a / 1258s / 6287a
9.57 grams, 25mm 
Struck RY 17 (70/1 AD), Chalcis (?) mint
Obv.: [BA]CIΛEΩC APICTOBOYΛOY E]T IZ, diademed and draped bust of Aristobulus facing left; countermark, monogram within incuse square, on neck
Rev.: [TITΩ] / O[YECΠA]/C[IANΩ AY]/TO[KPA]TO/P[I CEBAC/TΩ], within laurel wreath
Kovacs 301. RPC II 1692. For countermark, Kovacs p. 79, 24. 



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Re: My Judaean Collection Gallery
« Reply #78 on: October 06, 2023, 05:53:04 pm »
I was tempted by this one myself.  Congrats!

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Re: My Judaean Collection Gallery
« Reply #79 on: October 06, 2023, 07:00:19 pm »
You have more self control than I apparently do. 

It was late at night and I was just finishing up my nightly perusal of several coin related websites when I saw this one.  I did some quick internet searches for similar examples, and then hit "BUY".

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Re: My Judaean Collection Gallery
« Reply #80 on: October 07, 2023, 02:07:32 am »
That is a nice one. With a nice example of the countermark, too! RPC has quite a few specimens with this countermark, Howgego 722.

Howgego described it as "TI.K.Δ.?" which he took to mean "Ti(berius) C(aesar), year 4."

I don't know how he saw a "Δ" in there, though! (Instead of an "E.")

RPC has reinterpreted it as "monogram with letters Π, Υ, Ε and Μ," though I wonder if that is a bit speculative, too, since different characters seem possible. (Unless they have a particular name or word in mind for the monogram's significance.) https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/2/1692
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Re: My Judaean Collection Gallery
« Reply #81 on: November 16, 2023, 11:32:05 am »
It's funny how things seem to come in bunches.  After finding the nice Aristobulus I posted a bit above, last week I was in Baltimore for the Whitman Coin Expo, and lo and behold I walk up to a dealer with whom I often do a lot of business at that show, and he has a total of four Aristobulus pieces, including two with Salome's image on the reverse.  One was very nice, with almost full legends, but priced accordingly.  The second was more in line with my budget, albeit with less detail.  So basically in the course of six weeks, I was able to add two coins that I really never thought I'd be able to have.  Sometimes, life just works out that way.

My (lack of) photography skills really don't do the coin justice.  From a slightly different lighting angle, there is actually a decent amount of legends visible on both sides, including several letters of her name.


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Re: My Judaean Collection Gallery
« Reply #82 on: November 16, 2023, 11:59:10 pm »
Tough coin to get in any condition.  Congrats

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Re: My Judaean Collection Gallery
« Reply #83 on: November 26, 2023, 02:37:25 pm »
Nice coin, and your photography is fine IMO. Congrats on those two finds.

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Re: My Judaean Collection Gallery
« Reply #84 on: March 21, 2025, 11:56:54 pm »
I recently acquired an interesting prutah of Herod I, pictured below, from FORVM.

The coin measures 13.90 mm in diameter and weighs 1.31 grams, both within acceptable ranges for prutah of Herod I.

The obverse displays a crudely cut anchor with crossbar and loop at the top.  The cornucopias on the reverse side are extremely crude, as is the caduceus between them.  The description stated that the coin is anepigraphic (i.e., no legends) which would make it H6220b, as it was attributed in the FORVM listing. 

However, in both the pictures from FORVM and after examining the coin in hand, on the obverse just to the left of the anchor's top bar I see what to my eyes is "ω", along with possible traces of other letters (i.e., ΗΡ) to the left of that.  And to the right of the anchor top, is what may be "Β", and possibly additional letters following.  Assuming these are letters forming a legend, that makes the attribution H6219e.  I'm OK with either attribution, as I bought it strictly for the extreme crudeness of the design. 

Hendin lists 6219e as being "extremely crude" and 6220b as "quite crude".  This coin certainly fits either/both of those descriptions, heavily leaning towards the "extreme" category.  The "workmanship" on the reverse die is far cruder than is seen on any of the images in either Hendin's GBC6 or Meshorer's TJC.

FORVM’s description contained the following sentiment:  “This type is remarkably crude. It is difficult to believe that it was struck at the official mint in Jerusalem.”  I agree that it is difficult to believe the mint in Jerusalem would employ such an unskilled engraver as most of their output is of a higher overall quality

So could it have been produced at a different mint/location (authorized or otherwise) whose engravers were not of the same caliber as those at the mint in Jerusalem?  Besides Sebaste and possibly Trachonitis, what other locations were known/thought to have minted coins for use in Judaea during the period of Herod’s rule?

Thoughts....comments....?

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Re: My Judaean Collection Gallery
« Reply #85 on: March 26, 2025, 02:48:47 pm »
Interesting, I will correct my description.
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Re: My Judaean Collection Gallery
« Reply #86 on: March 27, 2025, 10:48:08 am »
So could it have been produced at a different mint/location (authorized or otherwise) whose engravers were not of the same caliber as those at the mint in Jerusalem?  Besides Sebaste and possibly Trachonitis, what other locations were known/thought to have minted coins for use in Judaea during the period of Herod’s rule?

Meshorer also suggested Caesarea as a possible mint of the galley type. Ariel and Fontanille, however, argue that all the coins of Herod were minted in Jerusalem based on technical, physical features and based on their die study.

It is unfortunate that the die study for your coin type was not completed in A&F, due to the huge size of the issue. It would help us potentially understand more about the mint structure for this types. Were dies shared between the very crude types and regular types, for example? We could find the die match for your coin to confirm your reading!
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