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Offline Virgil H

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Maroneia Thrace Dionysos / Askepios Standing Question
« on: February 06, 2023, 12:55:41 am »
I think I know the answer from looking at the Members Gallery entries, but want to make sure. The only reference I have at home that covers Thrace is Sear Greek, plus I have the PDF of Schonert Geiss. I have super problems working with PDF files of reference books where jumping around is required and I have tried. Plus my German is terrible/non-existant. LOL.

I am 99% sure my coin is Schonert Geiss 1569. I do not have a photo offhand, but let's assume I am right. Sear has only a couple of coins that have this design, but mine is smaller, AE 17 versus AE 24. Mine could only really be close to SG 1639 due to the legend differences between the two (other is 1638). Sear dates this coin as after 148 BC. I can find no date information in Schonert Geiss outside of huge ranges where this coin falls. I am pretty sure that after 148 BC is the right answer from looking at gallery entries, but can anyone confirm? I know this is due to my inability to read the PDF properly online and my lack of German expertise.

Thanks,
Virgil

Offline Altamura

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Re: Maroneia Thrace Dionysos / Askepios Standing Question
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2023, 04:12:21 am »
... I am 99% sure my coin is Schonert Geiss 1569. ...
The book by Edith Schönert-Geiss (ESG) is some sort of a die catalog, each coin cited corresponds to usually exactly one die combination. Are you sure that your coin was made from exactly the dies V 46 and R 53?
The number 1569 is part of the Berlin collection and can be seen here: https://ikmk.smb.museum/object?lang=en&id=18244594&view=rs

At least your coin (a photo really woud be helpful!) is part of the period X of ESG.

But ESG is meanwhile a bit outdated, a more recent monograph about the coinage of Maroneia is Selene Psoma, "The Coins from Maroneia and the Classical City at Molyvoti", Melethemata 62, Athens 2008. There this period X is redated to the "first century BC".
Some dealers already adapted their description of this coin type
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=9770789
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=9588700
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=8821698
others did not.

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Altamura

Offline Virgil H

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Re: Maroneia Thrace Dionysos / Askepios Standing Question
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2023, 11:07:18 pm »
Ah yes, I see what you mean now, especially as there are a number of coins that look similar in the plates. A case in which not knowing German is really a problem for me, although I should have known what R and V meant just from context. I will explore the links you posted and post a photo here tomorrow. I thought I took photos days ago, but couldn't find them. There are a ton of variations of this type, mine has a pretty simple legend and no monogram(s) I can see on-flan.

So, I was 100% wrong about being 99% sure.  :)

Thanks so much,
Virgil

 

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