2 Buckles

[Jay GT4]

I've had these for years also.  One definitely a buckle, looks to be Roman but interestingly has a piece of the leather belt still attached!  The leather is also stitched with a copper wire.  Possibly Medieval rather than Roman?

The other probably a cavalry mount of some sort.  Still has the rivet through the bronze plate.

Both with great patina.

Any help would be appreciated. 

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-92689

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-92690

[Aarmale]

Carbon dating

[Jay GT4]

Carbon dating

   It's a possibility. 

Well I'm waiting for my books to arrive so I can date it stylistically.  I thought someone may be able to point me in the right direction before they arrive.

[benito]

For carbon dating of the first item  http://www.radiocarbon.com/
Interested in metallurgical analysis of the second ?

[SC]

Wow.  Very interesting. 

I think the top might indeed be medieval.  I have seen images of that buckle type before but can't remember where.

What a great item though.  Copper alloy buckle, iron tongue, leather belt (I assume rather mineralized) with copper wire edging.  Great item.

The second is also a mystery.  Never seen that double rectangular buckle before and linked to an oddly shaped plate.

What books are you getting.  I have a couple of UK books, one on detector finds and one on Roman buckles and belt plates, and then a couple of Museum of London medieval collection handbooks but that is all for buckles.

Shawn

[Jay GT4]

Thanks Shawn, I've got on order:

M C Bishop and J C N Coulston's "Roman Military Equipment from the Punic Wars to the Fall of Rome: Second Edition"

A Visual Catalogue of Richard Hattatt's Ancient Brooches
Richard N. Hattatt

and

Lindsay Allason-Jones "Artifacts of Roman Britain: Their Purpose and Use"