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Offline Heliodromus

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Licinius's bald spot
« on: August 04, 2020, 01:44:51 am »
I bought the top left coin of Licinius a while back, at the time picking this specimen because of his only partially engraved hair - a lapse of attention on behalf of the celator, perhaps ...

On recently browsing online examples of the type, I noticed something familiar ... not always present, but none too rare either! Presenting Licinius's bald spot!

This seems to be a very brief depiction of Licinius on being appointed Augustus in 308. Most common here at Thessalonica, but seems to also be depicted on some dies at Siscia at the same time.

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Re: Licinius's bald spot
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2020, 11:18:08 am »
An interesting observation!
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Re: Licinius's bald spot
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2020, 03:13:33 pm »
Weird!

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Re: Licinius's bald spot
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2020, 03:25:05 pm »
No sign of baldness on this and several others I have.
Why?
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Re: Licinius's bald spot
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2020, 04:16:44 pm »
Being sold online currently and the bald spot is mentioned.

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Re: Licinius's bald spot
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2020, 09:00:24 pm »
Well spotted!

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Re: Licinius's bald spot
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2020, 11:39:30 am »
Also, if this has gone unrecorded in the literature, I hope you'll consider providing a brief write-up for Koinon IV.  We'll start accepting manuscripts in November with a usual deadline of mid April.  Contact me for details.

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Re: Licinius's bald spot
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2020, 12:25:57 pm »
I don't know why not on your coin, Pete, one can only speculate...

In any event from what I've seen this "bald spot" depiction seems to be limited to the first coins after Licinius became Augustus (after crisis meering at Carnuntum) c.308. These issue marks were relatively long lived, so RIC dates this initial issue at Thessalonica to 308-310.

I havn't done a comprehensive search, but from what I've seen this depiction is limited to Thessalonica and Siscia which were the only two mints controlled by Licinius at that early date. Licinius only took control of Heraclea (your coin) after Galerius's death a few years later, and Galerius himself doesn't seem to have used that unflattering portrait for Licinius!

This bald spot depiction is a bit unexpected, especially at a time when imperial coin portraits were tending to lose individuality (although this point is a bit overstated). It seems a bit of a rookie mistake by Licinius to propagate an unflattering portrait (bust?) of himself, and either he or someone at the mint soon decided to change it!

More questions than answers, really ... he can't have been the only emperor to suffer from male-pattern baldness ... was he really the first to propagate an honest representation of himself for the mints to copy, or perhaps he was unpopular and some (or all, initially?) celators decided to copy what they would normally have routinely "fixed"?

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Re: Licinius's bald spot
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2020, 03:27:09 pm »
Judging from his busts, Vespasian sported something of a combover to hide his bald spot. But it's less obvious on most coins.

Anyway, I tried to find busts of Licinius to compare and see if they showed any sign of baldness, but they are all in rough condition and not necessarily good likenesses. It would surely be helpful to have a wider corpus to compare to.

 

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