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Roman eagle lead plaque, 1st century AD?
« on: May 24, 2012, 04:33:16 am »
What do you think of this?

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Roman Lead Eagle Plaque: Circa 1st Century AD. A fantastic plaque with an eagle in the center of a circular presentation. It measures 33 x 33 mm; is intact; and has nice light brown patina.

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Re: Roman eagle lead plaque, 1st century AD?
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2012, 05:34:48 am »
Whatever it is, it looks modern. Clearly not ancient.

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Re: Roman eagle lead plaque, 1st century AD?
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2012, 05:45:10 am »
I don't know what it is and agree with rover1.3 about it not being ancient. It looks 19th or early 20th century to me.

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Re: Roman eagle lead plaque, 1st century AD?
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2012, 06:31:56 am »
Looks more American than Roman...

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Re: Roman eagle lead plaque, 1st century AD?
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2012, 08:09:53 am »
the same object was posted on another numismatic forum and they got the same answer

american rather than roman

http://www.lamoneta.it/topic/91118-placca-romana-di-stile-americano/

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Re: Roman eagle lead plaque, 1st century AD?
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2012, 08:19:43 am »
Maybe a 2nd WW artifact ???

Reminds me of the dealer that tried to sell a lead figurine of the Taz a few years ago, thinking that it was an ancient amulet depicting a Celtic god ;D

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Re: Roman eagle lead plaque, 1st century AD?
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2012, 08:37:00 am »
Definitely American, look at the shape of the stars, and note also there are seven stars as in the first flag of the CSA.

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Re: Roman eagle lead plaque, 1st century AD?
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2012, 08:38:49 am »
Thanks for your opinions. The seller didn't want to believe me, maybe a few more opinions will help. The only thing missing from the plaque in my opinion is mom and apple pie.  ;D
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Re: Roman eagle lead plaque, 1st century AD?
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2012, 08:56:29 am »
Definitely American, look at the shape of the stars, and note also there are seven stars as in the first flag of the CSA.

I saw this when it was first listed and I immediately thought........American. The style of the eagle, the stars, the banner.........all of it looks like American iconography.

The only way this is Roman, is if someone used a time machine to travel back and bury an American artifact in a Roman site.

Some dealers are very lax on vetting their antiquities.

I guess my question to the dealer would be "on what basis do you claim this is 1st cent Roman?" ...........other than wishful thinking.

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Re: Roman eagle lead plaque, 1st century AD?
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2012, 09:09:06 am »
Ridiculous. I'd guess a completely modern belt buckle or fixture for clothing or bags, showing the American eagle with the banner with stars below. This is absolutely copied from the type of eagle shown  on American currency or other patriotic situations. As for those nice squared-off machined identical five-pointed stars in the banner (the banner is of course a completely modern concept), they are pretty much identical to those on modern coins, vintage 2012. I cannot imagine that someone at the vendor reckoned it to be ancient. I dropped the seller a note. I'm amazed they didn't trust Andreas' view on this. I guess they will eventually bow to the weight of laughter.

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Re: Roman eagle lead plaque, 1st century AD?
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2012, 09:43:22 am »
I can't disagree with anything you're all saying but my intention was to convince the seller, not ridicule him (which is why I din't name him). Maybe I wasn't that careful myself. Actually I thought of a belt buckle as well, even though it probably isn't one if it's really lead.
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Re: Roman eagle lead plaque, 1st century AD?
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2012, 10:38:24 am »
I can't disagree with anything you're all saying but my intention was to convince the seller, not ridicule him (which is why I din't name him). Maybe I wasn't that careful myself. Actually I thought of a belt buckle as well, even though it probably isn't one if it's really lead.

You've been very sensitive and gentle with the seller's feelings, however as he has not withdrawn the badge based on a soft approach, I think a little laughter might now help.

I'm thinking more of a small badge like those little metal badges in a thousand varieties that are so popular at Olympics events, or perhaps a plaque to be affixed to something - luggage, a sports trophy, a soldier's kit? Given it's made of lead that might, to give the seller credit, date it to before lead was considered dangerous. Perhaps the LA Olympics - not 1984 but 1932.

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Re: Roman eagle lead plaque, 1st century AD?
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2012, 01:13:47 pm »
I can't disagree with anything you're all saying but my intention was to convince the seller, not ridicule him (which is why I din't name him). Maybe I wasn't that careful myself. Actually I thought of a belt buckle as well, even though it probably isn't one if it's really lead.

You've been very sensitive and gentle with the seller's feelings, however as he has not withdrawn the badge based on a soft approach, I think a little laughter might now help.


@ Andrew I concur. It shouldn't take many emails for this vendor to realize that the object is likely misidentified and should be pulled and researched better, at a minimum.

@areich You were careful, but the photo was instantly recognizable to me.  I was going to be oblique and simply reference H.G. Wells, but I thought the vendor had beeen given enough nudges to do the right thing........and hadn't......thus I was a bit more obvious.

 :angel: :police: :evil:

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Re: Roman eagle lead plaque, 1st century AD?
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2012, 02:22:53 pm »
It's been taken care of. Should be down shortly.

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Re: Roman eagle lead plaque, 1st century AD?
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2012, 02:26:06 pm »
This reminds me of the thread about that mystical button, also evidently needing a Tardis to determine its origin. I'm going to go out on a limb and bet that this is may be an old Eagle Scout badge. Modern Eagle Scout badge below:

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Re: Roman eagle lead plaque, 1st century AD?
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2012, 01:46:19 pm »
 Could we see a photo of the back of this badge? Maybe a Confederate piece!
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Re: Roman eagle lead plaque, 1st century AD?
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2012, 02:14:48 pm »
Could we see a photo of the back of this badge? Maybe a Confederate piece!

There is a photo of the back in the first post. This item does not bear any resemblance to anything Confederate that I have seen-- the eagle is not right for the period.
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Re: Roman eagle lead plaque, 1st century AD?
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2012, 04:22:58 pm »
Funny, I had the same thought when I saw it, clearly modern. Dealers need to remember that many eyes are looking at their offerings, and the chance for embarrassment is great. I mean, I'm far from any kind of an expert and that piece screamed "modern, probably American" as soon as I saw it.

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Re: Roman eagle lead plaque, 1st century AD?
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2012, 05:11:11 pm »
Stars,eagle.... definitely American. And 20th century(fox) :D

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Re: Roman eagle lead plaque, 1st century AD?
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2012, 06:55:57 pm »
Maybe now the seller is keeping it up out of spite?
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Re: Roman eagle lead plaque, 1st century AD?
« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2012, 08:08:10 pm »
Odd, I was told it was coming down. If it's not down tonight voluntarily,  I'll make sure it comes off myself.

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Re: Roman eagle lead plaque, 1st century AD?
« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2012, 05:50:51 pm »
I am not convinced by the seller's Roman figurine either, it looks more like a pipe tamper.

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Re: Roman eagle lead plaque, 1st century AD?
« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2012, 08:02:44 am »
I am not convinced by the seller's Roman figurine either, it looks more like a pipe tamper.

Alex.

Based on what I STILL see listed, I am now comfortable to list this once in a lifetime opportunity.

I am selling this life size statue of Medusa playing a large lyre, unearthed in Kingston Jamaica. This is a museum quality specimen, and although I am not postive of its exact age, I am pretty sure it is real and old. 

All serious offers will be entertained. As a summer special, we are including one kilo of real Roman herbal incense (all buds, no stems.) Buy now......and you too will be "feelin irie mon"



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Re: Roman eagle lead plaque, 1st century AD?
« Reply #23 on: May 28, 2012, 09:29:32 am »
And what about his 4-5th cent. Roman "spaghetti spoon" ? An anachronism ???

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Re: Roman eagle lead plaque, 1st century AD?
« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2012, 11:56:07 pm »
I am not convinced by the seller's Roman figurine either, it looks more like a pipe tamper.

Alex.

Based on what I STILL see listed, I am now comfortable to list this once in a lifetime opportunity.

I am selling this life size statue of Medusa playing a large lyre, unearthed in Kingston Jamaica. This is a museum quality specimen, and although I am not postive of its exact age, I am pretty sure it is real and old. 

All serious offers will be entertained. As a summer special, we are including one kilo of real Roman herbal incense (all buds, no stems.) Buy now......and you too will be "feelin irie mon"



BR

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Hmmmm, sure would look nice out in the garden. :afro:

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Re: Roman eagle lead plaque, 1st century AD?
« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2012, 04:47:01 am »

 

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