Vitellius - Same Coin with 2 Different Grades - Fakes?

[Doug J3]

I found a Vitellius Coin on an Auction House, with another sold example a few years earlier. Coins appear to be the same but different grades, Different Cert Nos. Wasn't sure if its a Duplicate fake, or same Coin Re-Graded Higher. I'm no expert but like to buy some coins, usually graded cause I do not have any expertise. Appreciate any info.

[Victor C]

Yes, it is the same coin just submitted again for re-grading. Unfortunately this seems to be coming a thing...more worried about grades than the coins themselves.  Resubmit...Resubmit....Resubmit 

[Doug J3]

Appreciate it. 

[Virgil H]

Sending coins back hoping for a higher grade is a thing with some modern coins and collectors from what I have read (and some other collectibles like baseball cards). Never heard of it with ancients. This is one reason I don't collect modern coins. To be honest, I also avoid slabbed ancient coins because I always assume that it is more expensive simply because it is slabbed (I may be wrong, but that is my impression). Plus, if I get a slabbed coin, I take it out of the slab. LOL. With ancients, it is about eye appeal and what you like, not some grade. Grading also varies across coins from different places and eras and is very subjective. I truly have no idea what the difference is between a Choice XF and Choice AU even is. I am not even sure there really are any true Choice AU ancient coins. Maybe  gold. 

Virgil

[glebe]

AU?  What does that mean?
Obviously I'm behind the times.

Ross G.

 

[Virgil H]

Almost Uncirculated.

Virgil

[Joe Sermarini]

MS (mint state) and AU (about uncirculated) with strike 5/5 and surface 5/5 go for crazy prices to people who do not normally collect ancients. Sometimes really crazy. Most of the coins sold with NGC certification on FORVM come to us that way. Occasionally, I send a coin when I want a second opinion. Occasionally, I send a coin for a consignor when I think it will bring them a significantly higher price (usually popular common coins, in exceptional condition).

[Virgil H]

My bad, I said Almost rather than About. Still meaningless to me. But this is why I avoid slabbed coins, because people expect higher prices. I have bought a few, but not because they are slabbed, it was because the price was right. I only buy from trusted sources, such as Forum, so have no real worries about fakes.

Virgil

[glebe]

Obviously "about" is just a euphemism for almost.

Ross G.

[bpmurphy]

It's the same coin. The difference in grade has nothing to do with resubmitting the coin and getting a different grade. In the first instance the coin is "net graded" at CEF. The net grade takes into account the strike and surface and nets out any defects to arrive at a general grade for the coin. In the second instance, it's a full grade with strike and surface grades. In this instance, the CHAU grade is the circulation grade and indicative of the amount of wear, and the surface grade of 2 indicates that the surfaces are not great.

Barry Murphy