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Found in Israel, IMP on the reverse, No idea at all!!!
« on: December 18, 2016, 03:29:26 pm »
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Re: Found in Israel, IMP on the reverse, No idea at all!!!
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2016, 01:09:45 pm »
Does anyone know about this coin? it should be Seleukid but I cannot find this mint.

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Re: Found in Israel, IMP on the reverse, No idea at all!!!
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2016, 01:44:54 pm »
I have no ides :-\ .
I see a strange head of tyche on the upper part of the obverse. On the reverse I believe to recognize a IMP. The latter woult be untypical for a seleucid coin, but perhaps I read it wrong :-\ .

Why do you think that it is seleucid?

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Re: Found in Israel, IMP on the reverse, No idea at all!!!
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2016, 02:12:14 pm »
Hi Altamura, I can reed IMP on the reverse too.
I thought it could be Seleucid as it was found with more than 100 of them, but there were more than 200 of Roman ones......
I also though than the face was similar to seleucid ones, but maybe you are right and it is Tyche.

So honestly I am lost too hahahaha

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Re: Found in Israel, IMP on the reverse, No idea at all!!!
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2016, 10:35:21 am »
I don't think it is Seleucid either, though I could be from that part of the world.

The Seleucid bronzes usually have the reverse legend running in several lines perpendicular to the design.

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Re: Found in Israel, IMP on the reverse, No idea at all!!!
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2016, 01:54:18 pm »
Any idea about IMP letters on the reverse?

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Re: Found in Israel, IMP on the reverse, No idea at all!!!
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2016, 02:10:21 pm »
May help
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Re: Found in Israel, IMP on the reverse, No idea at all!!!
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2016, 02:11:00 pm »
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Re: Found in Israel, IMP on the reverse, No idea at all!!!
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2016, 02:23:25 pm »
Sam,

In this case, i don't think you have increased the chances of identification just by inverting the coin or turning it into a negative.

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Re: Found in Israel, IMP on the reverse, No idea at all!!!
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2016, 02:56:27 pm »
I find objects a little clearer for search ,on the negative.
I will also take a look this late afternoon
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Re: Found in Israel, IMP on the reverse, No idea at all!!!
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2016, 02:59:56 pm »
Later I'll take some more picts, just in case.

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Re: Found in Israel, IMP on the reverse, No idea at all!!!
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2016, 03:47:38 pm »
I think it is Herakles on reverse. ( fighting or drawing bow )
From Forum store ( I know the weight is greater , but just a look )

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=18&zpg=78809

I know this is standing but worth taking a look
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1840637
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Re: Found in Israel, IMP on the reverse, No idea at all!!!
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2016, 04:07:18 pm »
... Worth looking ;  I think it is Herakles on reverse ...
I don't see any resemblance  :-\ .

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Re: Found in Israel, IMP on the reverse, No idea at all!!!
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2016, 04:09:39 pm »
A pitty but I don't do it neither

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Re: Found in Israel, IMP on the reverse, No idea at all!!!
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2016, 04:20:18 pm »
I am only sharing my thoughts and eliminate the possibilities , when I post a coin , it does not mean it is the same , ( unless I say ).
That is how you encourage other members to share their thoughts.

I see Herakles , you don't and so on .. If you say why , would be helpful ..
That is how, FORVM works  :) and that is the beauty of it  +++

I do agree obverse seems like Tyche and we all looking.

Added ; I think it is Herakles , I count on the appearance of Herakles on  Septimius Severus ( Herakles fighting a lion )
like muscles , legs...
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Re: Found in Israel, IMP on the reverse, No idea at all!!!
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2016, 12:53:00 pm »
I suspect the reverse is some sort of Zeus.  Tall nude guy with beard.  Fairly common design in the East.

I don't think there is an IMP, just an illusion.  If you look carefully for the ring of dots you can see parts of it above the head of Zeus (?) and again to the right.  You can then imagine where the missing bits lie and you see that the P of IMP is actually among the rign of dots.  Maybe the I and M are there or maybe they are just effect of wear too.  In any case the legend on such coins should be either around circumference or perpendicular to the figure (i.e. running roughly from from 12h to 6h).

A legend running horizontally from 9h to 3h would be quite rare.

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Re: Found in Israel, IMP on the reverse, No idea at all!!!
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2016, 01:35:44 pm »
... I suspect the reverse is some sort of Zeus.  Tall nude guy with beard.  ...
Maybe, maybe not :-\ .

...  You can then imagine where the missing bits lie and you see that the P of IMP is actually among the rign of dots.  ...
I think you are right, the P probably is part of a dotted border.

...  In any case the legend on such coins should be either around circumference or perpendicular to the figure (i.e. running roughly from from 12h to 6h).

A legend running horizontally from 9h to 3h would be quite rare. ...
Such legends are the more seldom ones, but they do exist. You have it quite often around objects:
Amblada: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=225429
Elaia: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2594478
Dioskourias: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2529315
Myrina: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2934080

but even around "real figures":
Aspendos: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=182292
Amisos: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2981984

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Re: Found in Israel, IMP on the reverse, No idea at all!!!
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2016, 01:38:41 pm »
I have taken a couple of pictures more to see if it helps, and right, here doen't seem there's an IMP


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Re: Found in Israel, IMP on the reverse, No idea at all!!!
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2016, 03:53:27 pm »
Does look a lot less like zeus from that view.

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Re: Found in Israel, IMP on the reverse, No idea at all!!!
« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2016, 05:00:14 pm »
How about Tyche / Apollo , like the type of CILICIA Kelenderis .
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