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Offline Mayadigger

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ID for Small Knife, please
« on: July 12, 2021, 12:50:28 pm »
Ave!

Copper alloy; 76mm/6.4gm

Roman, maybe? Use?

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Re: ID for Small Knife, please
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2021, 05:29:04 pm »
No, Roman weapons were almost exclusively iron.

This is far far older.

Hard to tell from the broken end whether it was dagger or spearhead.  But the twin edge flanges ensure it is old - Bronze Age but I can't be more precise.

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Re: ID for Small Knife, please
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2021, 05:48:41 pm »
For comparison to Petrie XXXV:124. The illustration has rivet holes, which the OP dagger doesn't. But the profile and raised ridges/flanges along the shortened tang seem more or less consistent, as is the squared-off profile of the tang - although the transition from the shoulders to the flanges is a bit straighter on the OP, and slightly concave on the illustration.

Sadly, I've never been able to figure out exactly how to use Petrie for attribution. In both the text (chapters) and the lists of "System(s) of Types, with References to Plates and Pages," he seems to provide information for only a selection of figures from the plates. Sometimes I have been lucky enough where there was a specific reference in the text or "System of Types" to a particular specimen I was studying.

But, in an example like this - Plate XXXV (tanged, copper/bronze daggers), Figure 124 - I can find no information, beyond the illustration, that may help with attribution. No cross-reference to info about location of manufacture (although the "Laibach" under the image must allude that that) or to size or dating. Perhaps the info is buried somewhere in the book, but I'm not seeing it. I don't quite understand why info for a number of specimens is provided, but then for others there is nothing - or so it seems to me. So frustrating. I must be just missing something. I'd appreciate a CliffsNotes version of a user guide for Petrie.


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Re: ID for Small Knife, please
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2021, 01:29:39 pm »
Ave Shawn and Robert!

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Re: ID for Small Knife, please
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2021, 02:43:12 pm »
The OPs blade could well be hoped for rivets, if the rivets broke or corroded flush, they would be difficult to make out.
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Re: ID for Small Knife, please
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2021, 05:19:27 pm »
Laibach, from Petrie, is the name of Ljubljana, Slovenia when it was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

The items with flanged handles there appear to be LBA in period.

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