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Fake Coins and Notorious Fake Sellers => Topic started by: Joe Sermarini on July 19, 2023, 10:20:58 am
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I received a collection of about 150 coins from a widow who's husband died unexpectedly and suddenly. She sent the coin in a cabinet without tags and has no information at all on the coins. Unfortunately, the collection includes many fakes. Probably all of the more expensive types are fake. I am not looking forward to informing her of this sad fact. I would also like to be able to say that I obtained additional opinions on the coins I condemn, either from the Fake Coin Reports, our members, and for any tricky ones, I will send to NGC. I know it is one coin per thread, but that will not work for this. If you have opinions, please provide the coin number for each coin you discuss. Please respond here, or by private message or email. The suspect coins can be seen here:
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EDIT: The many condemned coins from this collection have been added to the Fake Coin Reports.
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xx112631 Apparently from the same dies as already known modern forgery of aureus RIC VI THESSALONICA 44b. Looks peculiar. Maybe forger was also selling off less successful (and therefore not gilded) copies?
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Almost all are known Bulgarian fakes or cast fakes.
Some like the crystallized Augustus could be ok.
I will look for references, when I have time, and update this post, but you should find many of these fakes already in fake reports.
The Galba is from Petar Petrov, it is in cataloge too but too lazy to look there it can be bought here is replica
https://www.etsy.com/de/listing/1425033328/roman-a-sestertius-of-galba-bronze-coin?click_key=bb678a93c5d8734b1eb130704998a6c542f50fb6%3A1425033328&click_sum=3ae8f6c8&ga_search_query=galba&ref=shop_items_search_2&pro=1&frs=1
reference for the Galba is the catalog by Petar PEtrov there number 784
5_Catalogue_Roman_Sestertivs 1-19
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The most interesting one is the transfer die fake from MAXIMINVS Dia.
It should be a Solidus and made of Gold.
There were several of these transfer die fakes offered by fakes sellers on ebay but there were in Gold.
The authentic mother is known, ghost line where the planchet of the mother ends etc.
1. picture your transfer die fake
2. authentic mother
3. and following transfer die fakes from fake sellers
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Thanks Din X. It really is sad that I will have to inform this Widow so many of the coins are fake. The coins on this page are about 1/3 of the collection but the rest are common lower value coins.
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Heart breaking.
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Hey Joe: I'll weigh in on the Legionary. There appears to be a die shift on the left side of the obverse as there is a partial double dot border and ANT appears twice. On the reverse, I wonder if it might be a XX. Note how the entire lower end of the right standard is missing and there is the raised dot right where the top of the right prong of the X would be. Perhaps that area of the die was clogged ? I scrolled through both Legion XI and Legion XX Schaefer's study and did not find a match for either. But on several coins I had to pause to be sure they didn't match, so the style is very close. I'd lean toward legit on this coin, but I'd sure prefer to have die match in Schaefer's or on CRRO.
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Thanks Ken, really the only reason I suspected the legionary is the odd flan shape. It is a small thing, but I have never hand a legionary with an oval flan quite like that.
EDIT: Condemned by NGC - https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pid=22567
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The Pertinax is from Slavey
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?param=12668q00.jpg&vpar=3243&zpg=118204&fld=
http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=o9TOAx/u8oU=
Published in
The Celator Ausgabe 13 vom 01. Januar 1999: Slavey: the truth behind the legend von B. C. Demetriadi Seite 25, Bildtafel
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the caligula is published twice in D.Dimitrov I.Prokopov B.Kolev Modern Forgeries of Greek and RomanCoins. Sofia K & K Publishers 1997
The funny thing is that number 78 + 80 are from the same dies but they write different legend ^^
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?param=12617q00.jpg&vpar=3243&zpg=118153&fld=
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I am doing at the moment the description of my fake and dies collection and noticed that there are many errors in literature and online sources.
Wrong legends are rather common! But if you describe a fake coin you could write the legend correct because the legend could be different from normal and help to condemn or to identify these fake.
Here is a CALIGULA Denarius and the DIES, which are totally wrong attributed by Ilya Prokopov as TIBERIUS, in fake reports and in literature
Publiziert/Veröffentlicht/Referenz: Contemporary Coin Engravers and Coin Masters from Bulgaria: "Lipanoff" Studio, Ilya Prokopov, Sofia 2004 Seite 22 Nummer 24 gleicher Reversstempel, dort gelistet unter Tiberius
Lipanoff Studio: Catalog of all registered coin Types, Ilya Prokopov, Sofia 2016 Seite 47+48 Nummer 89-92, gleicher Reversstempel, dort gelistet unter Tiberius
On the obverse is CALIGULA and on the revers is either Augustus or Tiberius (almost all think Augustus), (the portrait on the obverse is clearly without a doubt Caligula)
Ilya Prokopov writes on the obverse Tiberius and on the reverse Octavian.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pid=5196
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pid=5992
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Another terrible mistake, Marciana as Matidia and the legend totally misread
Lipanoff Studio: Catalog of all registered coin Types, Ilya Prokopov, Sofia 2016 Seite 82+83 Nummer 178 (dort fälschlicherweise unter Matidia und die Averslegende wurde total falsch bestimmt „MATIDIA AVG DIVAE MARCIANAE F, bust of Matidia right“)
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The Balbinus is a Lipanoff forgery
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?param=12621q00.jpg&vpar=3243&zpg=118157&fld=
Publiziert/Veröffentlicht/Referenz: Contemporary Coin Engravers and Coin Masters from Bulgaria: "Lipanoff" Studio, Ilya Prokopov, Sofia 2004 Seite 68 Nummer 112/A
Lipanoff Studio: Catalog of all registered coin Types, Ilya Prokopov, Sofia 2016 Seite 162 Nummer 346
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The Philip tetradrachm is condemned in IBSCC Bulletin on Counterfeits BOCS Vol 16 No.1 1991 Page 18 Fig 4
You know already that it is fake (0.01c) but if you list it, then it must have a reason.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?param=12644q00.jpg&vpar=3243&zpg=118180&fld=
http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?mode=6Q/zOXMHeZ0=&id=ZC5qpCFp0Sk=
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The pupienus is a Lipanoff forgery , not publised by Ilya Prokopov, he published another one from the same emission but from different dies.
Lipanoff brothers made at least 2 dies of this emission, the one published by Ilya Prokopov is a recut transfer die.
To the unpublished ones, they are pressed and many of them have been sold by fake sellers, style and fabric is from Lipanoff
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?param=12672q00.jpg&vpar=3243&zpg=118208&fld=
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This 2 Denarii of Pertinax are from Petar Petrov have a look at 8.Б_Catalogue_Roman_Denarius, there 804 A+E
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?param=12677q00.jpg&vpar=3243&zpg=118213&fld=
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?param=12608q00.jpg&vpar=3243&zpg=118144&fld=
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Next the Balbinus fake was made with the die published in (there are strange lines in this transfer die, wither scratches or transfer errors, doesn´t matter they are not in the real acnient dies and connect the trasnfer die with the fakes.)
COUNTERFEITS OF ROMAN AND BYZANTINE GOLD COINS by Ilya ProkopovIlya Prokopov
https://www.academia.edu/11716750/COUNTERFEITS_OF_ROMAN_AND_BYZANTINE_GOLD_COINS
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?param=12657q00.jpg&vpar=3243&zpg=118193&fld=
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The Theodosius obverse die is unpublised but the reverse die is from Procopius and published
Lipanoff Studio: Catalog of all registered coin Types, Ilya Prokopov, Sofia 2016 Seite 201 Nummer 419-421
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?param=12659q00.jpg&vpar=3243&zpg=118195&fld=
I add some more pictures of fakes sold by fake seller, not in fake reports the obverse die
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Pharsalos hemidrachm is a Beirut forgery, got one in a lot with only Beirut forgeries.
The legend is strange, it should be ΦΑΡΣ, but I can read ΦΑΣΡ
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?param=12669q00.jpg&vpar=3243&zpg=118205&fld=
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Alexander tetradrachm is a Beirut forgery, it was condemned by Reid but his homepage is not working anymore
alexanderthegreatcoins.reidgold.com/modern_forgeries2.html
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?param=12650q00.jpg&vpar=3243&zpg=118186&fld=
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Gordian Africanus is a Bulgarian fake, I have for example this fake 3 times, 1 time different reverse die
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?param=12645q00.jpg&vpar=3243&zpg=118181&fld=
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The Julia Domna is a transfer die fake made from Lipanoff fakes.
I have some original fake and some fakes of fake in my collection, too.
Fakes of fakes are annoying.
The problem here is that neither the obverse nor the reverse die is published as Lipanoff forgery so far, but they are die linked to two Lipanoff fogeries which are published
Lipanoff Studio: Catalog of all registered coin Types, Ilya Prokopov, Sofia 2016 , number 239+249, obverse die is die linked to this fake.
To this obverse die there is a "scratch" or something like this a line behind here head on obverse right to VL of IVLIA and in front of here throat is a line from the dies, this is only in the Lipanoff dies.
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As you see the correct reverse die for your fake would have been FECVNDITAS .
Now the correct obverse die for your reverse die.
The correct obverse die is published in Contemporary Coin Engravers and Coin Masters from Bulgaria: "Lipanoff" Studio, Ilya Prokopov, Sofia 2004 number 72+76
and
Lipanoff Studio: Catalog of all registered coin Types, Ilya Prokopov, Sofia 2016 , number 239+249
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The Trajan sestertius looks cast and the patina is artificial.
I have found this two mactches the last one is clearly a casting thwin, the one in the middle could be a casting twin too or the authentic mother
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?param=12550q00.jpg&vpar=3243&zpg=118086&fld=
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2606553
https://www.coryssa.org/952287/subcategory_id/177/page/0/keywords/trajan_bridge/search2/yes/date_to/2023-07-20/use_checkboxes/0/search_title/on/period/all/period/all/
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The Geta Caracalla Hybrid is a Lipanoff forgery, the Geta die is published in
Catalog of all registered coin Types, Ilya Prokopov, Sofia 2016 , number 260ff
Contemporary Coin Engravers and Coin Masters from Bulgaria: "Lipanoff" Studio, Ilya Prokopov, Sofia 2004 Seite 54 Nummer 85
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?param=12604q00.jpg&vpar=3243&zpg=118140&fld=
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The Hadrian Sestertius is actually a cast fake, there are twins in fake reports
See for example the same nick on reverse before COS, at about 1 o´clock
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?param=12551q00.jpg&vpar=3243&zpg=118087&fld=
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pid=15659
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pid=19878
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Nero is from Petar Petrov, see 8.A _Catalogue_Roman_Denarius number 490 A
X means that the die is or are broken and that no replicas are available for sale anymore from these dies.
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This one is a cast fake of a Lipanoff transfer die forgery
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?param=12601q00.jpg&vpar=3243&zpg=118137&fld=
bottom picture shows 2 real pressed Lipanoff transfer die forgeries from this reverse die and one from the same obverse die.
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Julius Caesar is again from Petar Petrov
8.A _Catalogue_Roman_Denarius number 203 b
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?param=12666q00.jpg&vpar=3243&zpg=118202&fld=
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Philip V Tetradrachm again Petar Petrov
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?param=12651q00.jpg&vpar=3243&zpg=118187&fld=
3_Catalogue_Greek_Tetradrachm number 6790 A
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Again Petar Petrov, 01_1_Catalogue_Stater number 3450A
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?param=12595q00.jpg&vpar=3243&zpg=118131&fld=
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The Demetrios Tetradrachm is a Beirut forgery, the cut off throat would speak for the theory that they have copied obverse die from real specimens but extremly recut the revers dies.
You can look at the edge it will be equally thick everywhere (because pressed) and most have a very smooth edge with no or only small edge cracks.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?param=12654q00.jpg&vpar=3243&zpg=118190&fld=
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Thea is a Beirut forgery, too
You can look at the edge it will be equally thick everywhere (because pressed) and most have a very smooth edge with no or only small edge cracks.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?param=12655q00.jpg&vpar=3243&zpg=118191&fld=
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This is a really bad cast fake, twins with same edge cracks in fake reports
Mark Antony & Julius Caesar
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?param=12670q00.jpg&vpar=3243&zpg=118206&fld=
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pid=2352
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pid=11861
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The Julius Caesar is imho a Bulgarian fake, the style is off and reminds me on the fakes sold by demetrius7107.
I have only 2 fake from the same dies in my fake database both sold by fake sellers
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?param=12597q00.jpg&vpar=3243&zpg=118133&fld=
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The Augustus is fake, too.
One was sold by fake seller helmut15 on ebay.
I think modern dies, or extremely recut transfer dies.
All these fakes from this fake seller and his alias habe this softness but all different centering and details so they are clearly not cast.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?param=12616q00.jpg&vpar=3243&zpg=118152&fld=
One is in fake reports wrongly as cast, they are struck or pressed
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pid=19105
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The Otho is a very obvious cast fakes several twins in fake reports
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?param=12661q00.jpg&vpar=3243&zpg=118197&fld=
Same scratch right to E on reverse
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pid=5958
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pid=17107
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pid=15494
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pid=3278
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The Vitellius is a cast fake (2,993g), I think I have seen a twin but did not save it, but I know the authentic mother (weight 3,31g)
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?param=12591q00.jpg&vpar=3243&zpg=118127&fld=
Authentic mother
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=4565478
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3329215
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Unfortunately for coin dealers, this type of situation is going to become more frequent.
Counterfeit ancient coins are everywhere online, and people buy them because they can get a $1000 coin for $50.
Eventually they will die, and their heirs will bring the collection to a dealer who will have to give then the bad news.
Sad.
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Still a few unknown types and some with uncertain authenticity. Any help you can provide will be greatly appreciated. I expect a few will have to go to NGC for a second opinion.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=3243
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This is amazing work by the members here. Here is what I wonder, is there any chance this guy was intentionally buying forgeries? Some people collect them and many seem to be from well know forgers/replica makers. Just a thought. I wonder if the widow can fain any records in a file cabinet or the like. Or was this just a collector with no clue. Very interesting, although tragic if she thinks she is going to make a lot of money off these. Sad for her regardless of what the collector's actual intent was.
Virgil
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https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?param=12634q00.jpg&vpar=3243&zpg=118170&fld=
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=9706422
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=8317382
If you enter "2 kreuzer Friedberg" in google picture search you will find many matches
2 Kreuzer are authentic and from Friedberg in the Wetterau
DEUTSCHLAND Friedberg i.d.Wetterau Johann Eberhard v.Cronenb.1577-1617 2 Kreuzer (1/2 Batzen) 1592 Lejeune: 18
CAS T IMP FRIDB WETTERAV
RVDOL Z IMP AVG PF DECR
Legenden
https://books.google.de/books?id=brNMAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA191&lpg=PA191&dq=IMP+FRIDB+WETTER&source=bl&ots=MPvGmQeLiQ&sig=ACfU3U2wWwvNxasxjk1Low2ZhvAyG8KviA&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwio7Ky_qqKAAxXmhP0HHaYtD34Q6AF6BAg0EAM#v=onepage&q=IMP%20FRIDB%20WETTER&f=false
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This is amazing work by the members here. Here is what I wonder, is there any chance this guy was intentionally buying forgeries? Some people collect them and many seem to be from well know forgers/replica makers. Just a thought. I wonder if the widow can fain any records in a file cabinet or the like. Or was this just a collector with no clue. Very interesting, although tragic if she thinks she is going to make a lot of money off these. Sad for her regardless of what the collector's actual intent was.
Virgil
I don't know if he knew.
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2 Kreuzer are authentic and from Friedberg in the Wetterau
Thanks Din X!
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I greatly appreciate all the help with this consignment so far. Your help will save the consignor (a widow) some certification charges.
I have removed all the condemned coins and added ALL the rest of the coins to the page. If you have the time and some knowledge of fakes, please take one more look. If you can help, I have two questions:
Are there any coins marked "sending to NGC" that you can confirm are fake to save the cost of certification?
Are there any coins not marked "sending to NGC" that you think are suspicious and should be sent to NGC? I think they are OK, but they did come in bad company and I am not done with them yet.
If you agree with the current "sending to NGC" list, please let me know that too.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=3243
Thanks, Joe
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In the description of the Diocletian abdication follis you write, "Copy of close type, KS in bottom center??????"
I suspect this coin is from Trier rather than Cyzicus.
There does not seem to be a KS between the figures on the reverse, not even a poorly struck KS (similar to the TPR).
Compare with the coins shown here:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=68887.0
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I suspect this coin is from Trier rather than Cyzicus.
Style of portrait is Treveran. I also don't see KS in the middle field.
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Thanks. Yes, the description is a copy and paste of the closet type we have had before. We apparently have never had the type from Trier before. The notes indicate the attribution is not done yet.
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GA112640 shows some doubtful features, when compared to:
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=9691910
Pekka K
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Yes, especially the weight. I think very likely fake.
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I do not like the Apollonia Pontica, the surface and style do not look convincing and they remind me on the mass production of fakes from one Bulgarian workshop with such a such style and soapy surface.
I have not found a die match for this fake, better pictures would be helpful, if you look on ebay archiv coinvace for Apollonia there will be more fakes than authentic coins.
I have an authentic and fake specimen of this emission and really many fakes of this workshop.
I would reject this coin.
Some fakes of this emission for style
https://www.coryssa.org/2644790/subcategory_id/6010/page/8/keywords/apollonia/search2/yes/date_to/2023-07-25/use_checkboxes/0/search_title/on/period/all/list_order/date/list_order_dir/desc/period/all/
https://www.coryssa.org/3147289/subcategory_id/6010/page/3/keywords/apollonia/search2/yes/date_to/2023-07-25/use_checkboxes/0/search_title/on/period/all/list_order/date/list_order_dir/desc/period/all/
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I do not like the Merovinigian or Anglo Saxon coin.
The style looks very similar to this imho fakes (weight of them is between 0,83-1,39g so it is similar to the weight of yours 0.999g), I doubt that they were "Found Cambridgeshire, UK", I think, that in best case someone made a hole there put the fakes in, did earth on them and then took them out of earth and called it found.
The auction house did not know how to attribute them, which is a bad sign, too.
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=MEROVINGIAN&category=1-2&company=128&lot=&date_from=&date_to=&thesaurus=1&images=1&en=1&de=1&fr=1&it=1&es=1&ot=1¤cy=usd&order=0
Are there no invoices of the coins?
If yes on the invoice should be written from whome they are, then we would know if the seller is reliable or not and on the invoice should be written what coin it is (attribution).
To throw aways invoices would not be smart.
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Ah, I did not know it was Merovinigian or Anglo Saxon coin. But without even knowing that, it seemed something modern. Thanks. Din X. I will skip sending that and the Apollonia Pontica to NGC.
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I sent the remaining coins that I felt uncertain about to NGC. Most came back certified.
Four were condemned and have been added to the fake coin reports. To see them, click https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/ and scroll down to see the latest reports.
Or, click on them one at a time:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pid=22570
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pid=22569
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pid=22568
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pid=22567
Three were returned as unable to authenticate because they are too worn.
This one below was returned as ineligible type. Unless someone can provide alternative information (I think unlikely), I will assume it is fake.
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it seems like something went wrong.
There were 2 Pertinax fakes made by Petar Petrov in this collection.
The problem is that it seems like the pictures were confused because one in fake reports is not from this collection and not from Petar Petrov and ancient (not sure if official issue or an ancient counterfeit).
The description is wrong too, it is Ops on reverse and not Laetitia and I think that in the past the pciture was right and now it is wrong, very strange.
"reverse LAETITIA TEMPOR COS II (joyous time, consul two times), Laetitia standing slightly left, head left, wreath in right hand, long scepter vertical in left hand"
[FAKE COIN REPORT REMOVED BY ADMIN]
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The fake in the collection was from this dies, see my post on page 1
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I am curious which coins NGC though were authentic.
Will they be listed to the shop?
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Yes, they will be sold in the shop. They are scheduled for new photos in the slabs. The Nerva was noted as smoothed and the Vitellius as scratched.
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Ah, I have one more coin that I did not send to them. They do not authenticate cast coins. I strongly suspect it is fake, but I have actually not handled many of these. I hate to reject it without certainty, but unless we have an expert who can tell me otherwise, I must. 137.4g, 47.6mm, 0 die axis.
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Ah, I have one more coin that I did not send to them. They do not authenticate cast coins. I strongly suspect it is fake, but I have actually not handled many of these. I hate to reject it without certainty, but unless we have an expert who can tell me otherwise, I must. 137.4g, 47.6mm, 0 die axis.
Has it patina or has the patina been stripped?
I think based on pictures stripped or most of patina stripped.
Dirt and encrustrations do not count as patina for me.
The style is strange of the suspected coin, especially the mane of the horse.
Authentication based on patina should be possible, but for this a patina would be required.
I am just curious, I have never had an authentic one in hand (I do not collect these).
I have seen many for sale as fake or sold by fake sellers but not from these dies.
I own one fake as grave with Janus without patina and there the edge shows file marks to remve the seam.
So I am curious if on the authentic ancient republic cast coins (Aes Grave or Triens) the seam has been removed too, I would speculate no because I see no reson why they should do so but it is only speculation.
If the seam and file marks can be found on many or all modern cast fakes or if mine is an exception, I do not know.
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It has a thin partial patina, which is missing on the edge. It may There is no seam on the edge, which has been filed.
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We discussed what this is supposed to be, another die match appeared on beay for sale by fake seller, the one on ebay is a cast fake.
The fake seller thinks it is a coin from the Franks
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/175963896685?mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&campid=5338722076&customid=&toolid=10050
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Another one, cast, but the 2 casts have different centering and that 2 fake sellers have casts from 2 different specimens rather speaks for modern dies.
There are many very suspicious coins with this style for sale lately.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/314884497937?mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&campid=5338722076&customid=&toolid=10050
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The only coin from this collection that I still have even the slightest question about is the cast Roman Republic bronze a few posts up. I am 98% confident it is fake, but not 100%.
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I am 98% confident it is fake, but not 100%.
In such case it is hard (or even impossible) to have 100%. 98% is practically enough.
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It is very often impossible to be 100% certain a coin is genuine, but it is more often possible to be 100% certain a coin is false. If it was my coin, I would be happy with 98% confidence, but since it belongs to a consignor, I am still troubled by my uncertainty.
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I know now what one of these fakes is supposed to be found an authentic one, for fake reposts it might be helpful to have an attribution of this fake
Top picture the fake
below authentic same emission
Authentic
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=12289056
Merovingian Coinage
MEROVINGIAN COINAGE - MARSEILLE (MASSILIA)
Type : Denier
Date : (VIIe-VIIIe siècles)
Date : s.m.
Mint name / Town : Marseille (13)
Metal : silver
Diameter : 12 mm
Orientation dies : 6 h.
Weight : 1,04 g.
Rarity : R3
Obverse description : Monogramme autour des lettres M, A, S ; une croisette de part et d’autre et grènetis
Reverse description : Monogramme autour des lettres A, N, T, O, R et S ; une croisette dans le champ à gauche et un globule à droite ; l’ensemble dans un grènetis
Commentary : Le monogramme du droit, avec les lettres MAS peut nous faire penser à une monnaie de Marseille. Le monogramme du revers est celui d’Antenor. Ce type monétaire ne trouve toutefois pas de place dans le monnayage marseillais bien connu depuis l’étude du trésor de Nice-Cimiez. Il correspond toutefois à une obole publiée dans la RN, p. 292-293, n° 16
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Thanks Din X.