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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #225 on: September 15, 2011, 11:57:19 am »
I've been able to take a much better picture of the Providentia coin I posted yesterday.  Opinions?

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #226 on: September 15, 2011, 12:23:45 pm »
"The Nicaeans (honored, or raised a statue to, or beheld?) Telesphorus made manifest".

Judging from my reprint of Rec. Gén., I'm fairly confident that your coin shares its rev. die with their no. 96, pl. 69.3 of Antoninus Pius.

Thanks Curtis!  I thought it may be a die match.  I was wondering if you or someone else may know what the second half of the obverse legend (after KAI) is or should read.  ANNEIOV is the best I can make out, but it AMMEIOV or ANHEIOV are possibilities.  The A and the OV are the only two things I'm sure of.  Is this a magistrate or referring to a diety?  I have not found similar legends.

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #227 on: September 23, 2011, 06:19:53 pm »


Thanks Curtis!  I thought it may be a die match.  I was wondering if you or someone else may know what the second half of the obverse legend (after KAI) is or should read.  ANNEIOV is the best I can make out, but it AMMEIOV or ANHEIOV are possibilities.  The A and the OV are the only two things I'm sure of.  Is this a magistrate or referring to a diety?  I have not found similar legends.

Kurt
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This is kind of a bump.  Any other thoughts on the terminal portion of the obverse legend?  I have looked at a lot of coins for Marcus Aurelius from Nicaea and this is the only coin I have found which appears to have the same obverse legend.  Unfortunately, the needed portion is obscured by corrosion on this specimen except for the terminal OV.  Any suggegestions would be appreciated.

http://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/9433/

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #228 on: September 30, 2011, 10:20:24 am »
Looks like ANNEIOY to me too; that's a pretty odd way of concluding a legend, but MA's father actually was Annius.
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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #229 on: October 04, 2011, 04:34:33 pm »
Thanks Archivum for the information.  At least that is a possible plausible interpretation/ explanation for the legend.  I will leave it as possible until I can find a specimen with a more visible legend.

Thanks Again!

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #230 on: February 22, 2012, 05:59:03 am »
New obverse legend for not so scarce type
of Severus Alexander:

 :Greek_Mu:  :Greek_Alpha: :Greek_Upsilon_2: :Greek_Rho:  :GreeK_Sigma: :Greek_epsilon: :Greek_Omicron: :Greek_Upsilon_2: :Greek_Iota: :Greek_Rho:  :Greek_Alpha: :Greek_Lambda: :Greek_epsilon: :Greek_Xi: ...

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edit: having seen some other similar legends, this should be read
SEOVHP, (HP) in ligature.

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #231 on: April 30, 2012, 09:49:55 pm »
Here is an apparently new type for Caracalla.  14 mm  1.95 g

OBV: ANTWNINOC AVG - youthful laureate head right

REV: NIKAIEWN - Bearded head of Hercules right

RG - , SNG vA - , Lindgren -, Righetti -, Isegrim -

This coin is unusual in that it's depiction of the older Hercules.  The only other similar coin was this issue of Caracalla with the bust of young Hercules in lionskin headdress in line with those issued by the Antoinines discussed previously.

http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=84878

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #232 on: August 04, 2012, 12:15:06 am »
A new variation recently sold by VAuctions (to me).

BITHYNIA, Nicaea, Commodus. A.D. 177-192. AE 21 (6.13 g, 21.2 mm).

M AV KOM ANTWNINOC, laureate head right
NIKA-IEWN, Athena standing left, holding spear and resting hand on shield set on ground

Rec Gen 265 var (Athena right). Unpublished in major references
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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #233 on: December 07, 2012, 01:40:01 pm »
Here's an extreme rarity I picked up at that online caveat emptor auction site:

Valerian II
Obv:  P [L KO]R OUALERIANOC K, radiate and draped bust right (I cannot tell if it's also cuirassed or not)
Rev: NIK/AIE/W-N, three standards topped with wreathes
3.16 g, 18.06 mm

Rec Gen (p. 510, #866) has a similar coin described as:

Saloninus (?) or Valerian II

Obv: P L KOR OUALERIANOC, radiate and draped bust right
Rev: NIKAIEWN, legionary eagle between two standards
AE 17 (Rec Gen does not list the legend breaks, but the plate coin has the same breaks)

The differences between my coin and the Rec Gen listing are the extra K at the end of the obverse legend and the wreathed variation of the reverse standards.  

There is one other known Valerian II type from Nicaea, with Hipparchus seated reverse (SNG von Aulock 7097), picture attached, which uses the same obverse legend as on my coin.  Rec Gen says "Saloninus (?) or Valerian II" but I think we can now safely say that the two "three standard" reverse types must come from Valerian Jr as well, and we can safely say (for now) that there are no known coins of Saloninus from Nicaea.

I know it's just another boring three standards type to most of you, but I'm tickled pink! If anyone knows of other Saloninus or Valerian II coins from Nicaea please post them.  Also, if anyone has a photo of the Rec Gen specimen (RG 866) I would love to see it too...the plate coin photo isn't great in my copy.

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #234 on: December 07, 2012, 01:47:40 pm »
I should also add that none of these three coins showed up in a search of ISEGRIM, even though two are listed in the major references (Rec Gen and SNG vA).  Perhaps I am not searching using the right parameters?  Also, using the same search parameters, there were no coins of Saloninus at Nicaea listed.

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #235 on: February 28, 2013, 12:42:15 am »
Here is a new variation for Geta.   15 mm 2.77 g

OBV- L CEPTI GETAC KAI - Barehead and cuirassed bust right

REV- NIKAIEWN - Telesphorus standing facing in hooded cloak

cf. RecGen 511 - barehead right with a different obverse legend

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #236 on: March 28, 2013, 05:43:26 pm »
I just wanted to make a note here of a correction to SNG Rightetti and an Isegrim entry:
Isegrim 709 (Nicaea, Julia Domna) lists an entry with the reverse of an eagle on an altar between two standards and repeats the obverse legend given in SNG Righetti, no. 638 as
IOYLIA DOMNA
The obverse legend is however IOYLIA DOMNA CE

there is a round countermark on the right of the Righetti plate coin with one
edge of the countermark after the A of Domna, but, on the plate coin, part
of the C (of CE) is visible.
I have just received an image from arizonarobin of such a coin in her collection and it appears to have been struck from the same dies, but without the countermark.
I am enclosing a pic of the plate coin from Righetti where you can see part of the C of CE just above the countermark.

Robin's example is also added and will soon be on wildwinds.

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #237 on: May 06, 2013, 07:05:22 pm »
I have two that are "scacer finds" from Nikaia, Bithynia that I did not see in this thread yet:

1.
Julia Domna
Ae15mm;2.12g; Bithynia, Nicaea.

IOVLIA CEBACTH
draped bust right

NIK-AI-EWN
Concordia standing left, holding patera and cornucopiae

2.
Julia Domna
Ae 23mm; 8.9g; Bithynia, Nicaea

IOVLIA AVG OVCT
draped bust left

NIKA-I-EWN
three standars, eagle with wreath on center standard

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #238 on: June 13, 2013, 12:10:52 pm »
Hi!

Today I came across this coin:

Bithynia, Nikaia, Severus Alexander, AD 222-235
AE 24, 9.81g
obv. [M AVR CEVH] - ALEZANDROC AV[G]
        laureate head r.
rev. EV / CEBWN / EVGENWN / NIKAIE / WN (2nd WN ligate)
       Legend in 5 lines in laurel wreath
ref. Rec. Gen. 621 var.

Rec. Gen. 621 has bust cuirassed, laureate, r. So this is a new variant. A rare and interesting rev. legend!

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #239 on: July 07, 2013, 10:11:17 pm »
Hello Everyone,

      This appears to be a completely new type for the small module coins of Nicaea and for Caracalla.

1.37 g  12 mm

OBV: ANTW-NEINOC - Laureate head right

REV: NIKA-IEWN - Herma with bearded bust right.

Anyone else seen anything similar in such a small module?  There are a couple of larger module issues with a snake entwined torch with or without poppies, but nothing this small.

Kurt

EDIT:  Given ionutdb coin below - the reverse appears to be a herma with a bearded bust right, not a flaming torch.

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #240 on: July 11, 2013, 10:26:39 pm »
Here is a sharper example of the coin listed in reply #158.  Definitely a reverse die match, and probably an obverse die match.

Severus Alexander - 22 mm  4.71 g

OBV - M AVP CEV ALEZANDROC AV - Laurete head right, Z appears retrograde under magnification

REV - NIKA-IEWN - Serpent entwined, lit torch

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #241 on: July 17, 2013, 04:59:30 am »
So, as Mr. Jochen advised me, I post here a interesting coin of Nikaia, Bythinia:

Unknown emperor (I guess is Antoninvs Pivs) - reverse: bust/statue of emperor (?)

12 mm diameter
0,67 gr weight

I hope you like it.

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #242 on: July 17, 2013, 02:00:43 pm »
Very interesting!  Seeing your coin, I think mine above (reply 241) is the same issue except the bust is facing right.

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #243 on: July 17, 2013, 03:24:45 pm »
I don't think that this is a flaming torch, but it looks like a herma.

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #244 on: July 17, 2013, 05:46:30 pm »
I agree Jochen.  I thought the top of mine look a little unusual for a flame.  Now seeing ionutbd's coin, I see the bust on my coin, but facing right.

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #245 on: July 18, 2013, 01:52:05 am »
Hello!
I am glad that my little coin make a little „light” (althou is not a torch) :)
So, it appears to be Caracalla - two variants of reverse: herma bust left and herma bust right :)
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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #246 on: November 19, 2013, 04:55:33 pm »
Adding my Julia Mamaea, that goes with Kurt's above:
 Julia Mamaea, Nicaea
Ae 20mm; 5.2g
Nicaea, Bithynia

IOVLIA MAMAIA AVG
draped bust right

NIKA-IEWN
snake entwined torch

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #247 on: April 24, 2014, 08:23:37 pm »
Here is another example of the Mamaea.  22 mm 5.31 g

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #248 on: May 13, 2014, 03:12:35 pm »
I think that this coin is Marcus Aurelius from Nikaia. I couldn't find it at Rec. Gen.

Bithynia, Nikaia, Marcus Aurelius as Caesar, AD 139-161
AE 25, 7.14g
obv. AVRHLIOC - [.....]
       Bust, draped, bare-headed, r.
rev. NIKA(I) - EWN
       Artemis in hunting cloak, wearing boots, stg.r., holding in r. arm long torch and in  
       extended l. hand bow; at her feet r. the hound std. r.
ref. ???

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #249 on: May 14, 2014, 02:17:01 am »

 

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