Author Topic: UNKNOWN TRACHY (Read 2743 times)

Orthodoxcoins · « **on:** April 04, 2006, 12:27:06 pm »

Any ideas???
16 x 19 mm

Laetvs · « **Reply #1 on:** April 05, 2006, 10:16:27 pm »

Val, this is a difficult puzzle! It looks like a Nicaean or Thessalonican trachy, or less likely a Latin trachy, but I can't find this coin in Sear, Dumbarton Oaks Vol IV, nor in Numismatic Chronicles 1973 or 1978. I also can't find it in Bendall's "A Private Collection of Palaeologan Coins," although it doesn't look Palaeologan to me.

I don't know what it is. It's a mystery. Sorry!

Orthodoxcoins · « **Reply #2 on:** April 09, 2006, 05:17:18 pm »

Hi Scott,

Thank for the efforts you have made!
I have checked the same sources and the last volume of DOC too, but I found only similar coins. I am already sure that it is an undescribed coin type, but it is a pity I can't presume who the emperors are.

I also have at about twenty not identified coins of the Palaeologues, I hope that we shall manage to identify most of them.But at lest for five of them I lost any hope to find them in the catalogues. May be we are about to make many discoveries in that field.

Regards,
Val

Simon · « **Reply #3 on:** April 12, 2006, 10:15:59 pm »

The obv reminds me of the Latin trachy displaying a 1/2 or 2/3 figure but the reverse is too nice to be a latin, someone took time and care to get the detail. I agree with you Scott ,It does not look like a normal Palaeologan coin but I would still guess it is an early Andronicus II coin, I checked Bendalls Palaeologan coinage and the line drawnings showed no match but some similar.

Val I am certain you will find many unlisted coins, you have the eye

Simon

Orthodoxcoins · « **Reply #4 on:** April 17, 2006, 08:59:05 am »

Thank you, Simon!

Here is something different - unknown Bulgarian or Byzantine coin!
May be unpubl. trachy issued by tsar Ioan Sratsimir /1371-1396/ with Christ Pantocrator on obverse, but more likely a bulgarian coper /gold-plated???/ imitation of byzantine hyperpyron!?!?

Laetvs · « **Reply #5 on:** April 18, 2006, 08:42:08 pm »

Val, that is a very cool coin!!!! I agree with you, I think it is an imitation hyperpyron that didn't get gold-plated, or maybe the gold wore off. I've never seen anything like it!

glebe · « **Reply #6 on:** December 31, 2010, 07:15:45 pm »

Here's another example.
It was offered as S.2267 of Michael VIII with a group of similar coins ranging from Michael VIII to Andronicus III (s.2481), so it could be Michael VIII and Andronicus II or Andronicus II and Michael IX (or maybe even Latin, although the style doesn't look right to me). The relatively heavy weight (2.47 gm) maybe suggests the former, but the saltire waist-bands are not typical of Michael VIII, at least at the usual mints.
Still a problem.

Ross G.

Orthodoxcoins · « **Reply #7 on:** January 01, 2011, 06:52:57 am »

The senior ruler (the left one) has a rounded beard. My suggestion - Theodore, Comnenus-Ducas with his son John (1237)? ! ? ! ?

and....

Happy New Year !!!

glebe · « **Reply #8 on:** January 01, 2011, 01:51:46 pm »

Yes I noticed the rounded beard too hence the idea it might be Latin. But coins before Michael VIII would mostly be clipped right down if they came from Bulgaria, as would seem likely.

Ross G.

Orthodoxcoins · « **Reply #9 on:** January 02, 2011, 05:15:24 pm »

Glebe,

I can not find the specimen. Have you the size of this coin?

glebe · « **Reply #10 on:** January 02, 2011, 10:10:39 pm »

Stated 2.47 gm, 23 mm.

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Ross G.

Orthodoxcoins · « **Reply #11 on:** January 03, 2011, 07:24:01 am »

Thank you !

Orthodoxcoins · « **Reply #12 on:** January 25, 2011, 05:13:56 pm »

Dear friends,

have you any information about existing of Sear no. 2186

Or any reference

glebe · « **Reply #13 on:** January 25, 2011, 05:30:41 pm »

S.2186 is misdescribed in Sear as the small module version of S.2180. In fact it is the small module version of S.2183 (with the figures holding a model city). Both of these SM types are reasonably common.

Ross G.

Orthodoxcoins · « **Reply #14 on:** January 25, 2011, 06:20:52 pm »

Quote from: glebe on January 25, 2011, 05:30:41 pm

S.2186 is misdescribed in Sear as the small module version of S.2180. In fact it is the small module version of S.2183 (with the figures holding a model city). Both of these SM types are reasonably common.

Ross G.

Thank you Ross!
Which "both SM types"?
SM of 2183 is realy common.
But the SM of S. 2182 is common too.

glebe · « **Reply #15 on:** January 25, 2011, 07:36:51 pm »

I meant SM versions of S.2180 and 2183. And of course most of the Manuel types are common in small module versions.

Ross G.

Orthodoxcoins · « **Reply #16 on:** January 25, 2011, 08:04:56 pm »

I'v never seen small module of 2180, with diameter of the dies less then 18 mm.

glebe · « **Reply #17 on:** January 26, 2011, 06:27:54 am »

You may be right. I have a number of lightweight examples of 2180 on file, but I don't really know how big they are.

Ross G.

Orthodoxcoins · « **Reply #18 on:** January 26, 2011, 07:34:05 pm »

It's me again : ))))))))

Does anyone have info about this coin:
/described as "Similar to Leu 97, 05/06, Lot 180"/
Auction finished few years ago.
Obverse - as S. 2187 (John, Comnenus-Ducas).
Reverse - as Hendy's type F for Manuel, Comnenus-Ducas

Orthodoxcoins · « **Reply #19 on:** February 03, 2011, 11:17:51 am »

Sear 2295.

glebe · « **Reply #20 on:** February 03, 2011, 03:37:23 pm »

Yes, I remember disgareeing with the seller over this one.
Leu 97, 05/06, Lot 180 was misdescribed anyway (it was actually S.2296).

Ross G.

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