Sure that they are not only
cast fakes or transfer die
fakes?
I am not 100% convinced that the Gold medaillon sold at
auction must be fake, but can not exclude the possibility.
Working link to the one in
fake reportshttps://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pos=-8002The silver coin from first post is clearly
cast. And the Gold one in
fake reports has soft details and the surface has been altered.
The Gold medaillon sold at
auction has surface problems and the gold coin in
fake reports has the same surface problems but softer and it is sadly not possible to tell for sure if the one in
fake reports has the same scratch on the
reverse (much softer of course) as the one sold at
auction (but then
part of the dotted
border at
reverse must have been recutted into mould).
My problem is that coins from the same dies exist in Bronze and I am not sure if in ancient times the same dies were used to strike Gold and Bronze coins.
Maybe the Bronze one was a trial piece?
Or if these dies were used to strike Bronze coins and someone made a recutted transfer die from one of these to produce transfer die
fakes in gold from these dies.
The
auction house, that sold the Gold Medaillon has offered in the same
auction the Bronze coin from same dies as next lot, so they knew about it, that coins from these dies exit in Bronze and Gold. "aus den gleichen Stempeln wie die vorhergehende Losnummer."
The
style looks very coinvincing and I assume, that at least the Bronze one is authentic (but need better pictures of the
patina to tell for sure)