Likely modern Cast Vespasian Dynastic Denarius

[gibfrog]

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CoinForgeryDiscussionList/message/21646

[Rupert]

And even if it were real, it wouldn't be worth the 375€ that the seller is asking in this condition.

Rupert

[gibfrog]

I found these in the FORVM fake reports

[David Atherton]

This cast copy is very similar as well.

[gibfrog]

Here is another cast copy

[Beast]

Interesting. And, the image is my piece. Thank you to Cliff for bringing this to my attention. Based on the other images, mine certainly looks like it is from the same group - the flan shape is the same, the edge splits are in the same spots and the flaw by Vespasian's nose matches. The rims on mine in hand don't lead one to believe it is a cast and it looked fine to me when I bought the coin from another dealer at a show, albeit in a stapled cardboard 2x2 and I didn't remove it to look at it in hand while buying a large group of coins.

Now that I am looking at it in hand again and under a loop, the overall surfaces are microporous, but the the flan isn't rough. The toning looks quite natural, but the edges of the devices don't seem as crisp as one would expect. Also, the center of the ear seems to have a touch of stray metal. I'll mark the coin as reserved for now so there is no chance of it selling at this time.

Barry - your thoughts on this? Don't know if you've actually seen this piece in hand at a show where we've been together. Certainly looks like a piece to be returned for a refund.

--Beast

[gibfrog]

Zach:

I admire your willingness to admit to an honest mistake instead of rushing to cover it up.    Do not feel too bad, here is another from a respected European auction house.  It is a very deceptive cast fake.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CoinForgeryDiscussionList/message/21754

[Beast]

Cliff,

I've already notified the dealer from whom I bought it and he bought it from a UK dealer but has to see if he can find his records which it was. He's sending a check to me today (I paid $575 for it) and the coin will be on the way back to him today and will be deleted from the store and moved to my fakes page:

http://www.beastcoins.com/Fakes/Fakes.htm

I'm hoping he can get his money back as well.

Thanks for pointing this out and at least it was caught before I had to retrieve it from a customer. No need to cover anything up - I can admit when I make a mistake and by putting it on my fakes page hopefully it will help someone else down the road avoid the same mistake.

--Beast

[Hydatius]

This a REALLY important thread because it shows that even the most honest and upright dealers can be fooled and end up honestly selling what turns out to be a fake coin.  A few fakes do not a "fake seller" make.  As always Zach is a model for us all.

Richard

[Robert_Brenchley]

I wish everyone was as honest! It goes to show that anyone can be fooled, and that if you handle a lot of coins, it's going to happen eventually.

[curtislclay]

Isn't it, though, the most natural and obvious thing in the world to acknowledge your own error when it is clearly shown to be one?

What should our goal be, to recognize the truth as well as we are able, or to strive for an appearance of personal infallibility by stubbornly defending our own mistakes even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary?

[Hydatius]

What should our goal be, to recognize the truth as well as we are able, or to strive for an appearance of personal infallibility by stubbornly defending our own mistakes even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary?

Curtis, you are so right, but, alas, I know too many people who adopt the latter option.

Richard

[ROMA]

I have no reason to doubt that beast coins is honest and upfront. Nor does this comment even apply to him, as no one purchased the cast coin. But while were talking about honesty i wanted to add that I've come across a couple dealers who are quick to make ammends when an issue comes up on a public forum, but are a different person altogether when dealing with in private. When I find dealers who are willing to amicably settle issues in private, they have a life long customer in me.

[slokind]

Curtis is right.  Classically, such is the difference between pride (or self respect) and vanity; in Freudian terms between imperfect and well accomplished ego formation.  Infantile personalities, though, are one thing--and then there are crooks.  Pat L.