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Offline Waldemar S

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denar Sevrvs Pivs Avg
« on: December 03, 2022, 01:51:42 pm »
Hello

Fals or not quoted denarius from Fides

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Re: denar Sevrvs Pivs Avg
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2022, 06:38:04 pm »
I think this is a denarius with the reverse of Fides holding a plate of fruit.

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Re: denar Sevrvs Pivs Avg
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2022, 09:14:32 pm »
I think this is a Septimius Severus coin...

Obverse:
SEVERVS PIVS AVG
Laurette bust right

I do not think it is a FIDES standing left holding fruit...  Most of them are either Greek or BONI EVENTVS reverses
It cannot be RIC 511 as its Obverse is L SEPT SEV AVG IMP XI PART MA-X,

I think I can see P VIII ? ? AVG on the Reverse

The Reverse seems to start PM

I have been trying to find it on Wildwinds
https://www.wildwinds.com/coins/ric/septimius_severus/i.html

Your coin has confused me... But I do not collect these early coins..




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Re: denar Sevrvs Pivs Avg
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2022, 07:32:57 am »
The reverse legend is P M TR P VIII COS II P P. 

That said, there are no Severvs pivs avg coins with this reverse and bonus eventus figures on the reverse in RIC.

What is the diameter, weight and die axis?

The C in COS looks pretty crude for a rome die.
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Re: denar Sevrvs Pivs Avg
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2022, 10:50:06 am »
Style of the portrait is odd also.  Not a coin in which I would place trust.

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Re: denar Sevrvs Pivs Avg
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2022, 12:25:50 pm »
Hello

I bought a denarius on the fly with 3 follis, they have not yet reached me. The legend of the reverse is known and noted - P MAX TR P VIII COS II P P ,only in the configuration with the legend and the bust of the obverse it does not appear and this puzzles me  ???
The style, for an eastern mint, is actually not that bad.

http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.4.ss.511A
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Re: denar Sevrvs Pivs Avg
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2022, 02:52:35 pm »
Look at Ric 511(a) for Laodicea. I had missed that the reverse legend is MAX and not just M.

I think this is the right attribution, but that Mattingly has the wrong god in Ric, I think it possibly should be bonus eventus, who is often confused with fides in reference books.
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Re: denar Sevrvs Pivs Avg
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2022, 01:00:32 am »
You're right Ron, it could be Bonus Eventus, not Fides, someone made a mistake somewhere. I wrote somewhere, because I'm not convinced that it's an eastern mint  ???, because I noticed that the legend Severvs Pivs Avg, aport for one case in the Laodicea mint,http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.4.ss.526 ,
  will be stamped only in Rome.http://numismatics.org/ocre/results?q=denar%20severvs%20pivs%20avg&start=140
 There is still an option with a moving mint  ???, and a  comparison of portrait styles for these mints  ???

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Re: denar Sevrvs Pivs Avg
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2022, 08:13:56 pm »
Anything is possible, including misattribution of mints in RIC, but I would suggest the portrait on this coin looks eastern to me and the reverse is clearly an eastern type.
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Re: denar Sevrvs Pivs Avg
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2022, 12:03:45 pm »
Hello

The denarius turned out to be a suberatus, a copper core covered with silver, I believe it is from the era.
Interestingly, on the reverse, there was probably some inscription at the bottom, but I can't read it anymore, what was the message there? All in all, a cheap and interesting purchase, even for a forgery, it's a pity that you can't read the inscription.

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