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Offline Stephan G

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Chinese coin.. it's fake right?
« on: October 25, 2022, 04:40:47 pm »
Hi everyone, new to this forum and also just started to collect coins about 2 years ago (I'm in Bali - Indonesia, so all of my collection is Chinese coins).

Just today a friend gave me the following coin as a present. it's fake right? Because I have never seen both sides identical and also it's too shiny . Diameter 2.3 cm... Thanks a lot in advance!

Offline Jan P

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Re: Chinese coin.. it's fake right?
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2022, 04:50:20 pm »
And I think there is no Chinese on earth, who can read what these "hanzi" say  ;).

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Re: Chinese coin.. it's fake right?
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2022, 05:11:18 pm »
Haha! Thank you for your reply.. could anyone point me to a book about Chinese coins so I could start categorizing my collection.. so far I got a 1000+ similar to the following in all kind of sizes and styles.. usually I send a colleague to the local villages to hunt for grandfather's who are willing to sell their stash... But I am really lost and right now just put everything in a box, here are some samples..:




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Re: Chinese coin.. it's fake right?
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2022, 08:28:26 pm »
This one would be a good start...

Hartill, D. Cast Chinese Coins. (Victoria, BC, 2005).
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Re: Chinese coin.. it's fake right?
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2022, 08:48:18 pm »
This one would be a good start...

Hartill, D. Cast Chinese Coins. (Victoria, BC, 2005).

Amazing, thank you very much 🙏

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Re: Chinese coin.. it's fake right?
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2022, 06:56:32 pm »
Hartill is good, but some of what you have shown appear to be Vietnamese cash coins.  For those, looking on wikipedia is your best bet as the only really good book on Vietnamese cash is rare and expensive - The Historical Cash Coins of Vietnam by Dr. R. Allan Barker.

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Re: Chinese coin.. it's fake right?
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2022, 04:04:27 am »
For identification of your Vietnamese cash coins, you can also try this:

https://art-hanoi.com/toda

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« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2022, 05:50:11 pm »
Good resource.

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Re: Chinese coin.. it's fake right?
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2022, 08:59:33 am »
In your pictures are coins from China, Annam (Vietnam) and Japan.

The coin from the first post looks like a Java-Käsh, but the 2nd page does not fit. Therefore, most likely a forgery.

For comparisons without literature i recommend zeno.ru.

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Re: Chinese coin.. it's fake right?
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2022, 07:26:24 pm »
Pingu,

I know nothing about Chinese and other eastern coins, but I like to learn about all coins. I just wanted to say, your expertise is a very welcome addition to the forum here and I thank you for it.

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Re: Chinese coin.. it's fake right?
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2022, 05:55:32 am »
Here is your last picture:
Obverse in Chinese = YONG ZHENG TONG BAO or Emperor Yong Zheng (1723-1735)- Circulation Money.
Reverse in Manchu  = BOO NAN or Minting office Nan of Hupu.

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Re: Chinese coin.. it's fake right?
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2022, 07:01:12 am »
Hello,

The coins on the wooden board:

Arrangement:
1 Coin
3 coins
7 coins
7 coins
7 coins
4 coins

Classification:
1 = old Kanei tsuho (Ko-Kaneisen) Japan (1626-1668)
2 = new Kanei tsuho (Shin-Kaneisen) Japan (1668 - 1869)
3 = new Kanei tsuho (Shin-Kaneisen) Japan (1741)
4 = Vin lac thong bao Vietnamm/Annam (~1400s - ~1500s)
5 = Yong le tong bao China (1403 – 1425)
6 = not recognizable to me on this picture
? = not 100% safe

Assignment:
               1
          1 - 3 – 6
1 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2
1 - 6 - 6 - 1 - 1 - 2 – 2
2 - 6 - 1 - 1 - 2 - 2 - 2
       4 – 4? – 5 – 5

For a more precise assignment, better individual images with backsides, weight and diameter are necessary.
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The reverse sides would be important for determining the coins in the picture with grey background. And weight and diameter... .
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@Virgil H: thanks for the flowers :)


Greetings pingu

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Re: Chinese coin.. it's fake right?
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2022, 03:48:28 pm »
Hartill is good, but some of what you have shown appear to be Vietnamese cash coins.  For those, looking on wikipedia is your best bet as the only really good book on Vietnamese cash is rare and expensive - The Historical Cash Coins of Vietnam by Dr. R. Allan Barker.

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https://vietnam.allanbarker.com/#:~:text=The%20Historical%20Cash%20Coins%20of,to%20the%20early%2020th%20century.

The author's website (linked above) has some detailed information.

 

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