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Offline Rupert

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Re: Two rare Eastern denarii of Hadrian
« Reply #175 on: February 28, 2021, 02:15:49 pm »
Just two posts above, we had PIETAS AUGUS, now here's PAX AUGUS. Unfortunately, I was outbid on this one today. 2.76 g, 19 mm. Not in the new RIC.

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Re: Two rare Eastern denarii of Hadrian
« Reply #176 on: April 28, 2021, 06:06:59 am »
Unlisted

Hadrian Denarius Roma 130-38 AD Salus Eastern mint
Reference.
cf RIC II, 267; Strack --; cf C 1331; RIC III, --

Bust A1+

Obv. HADRIANVS AVG COS III P P
Bare head

Rev. SALVS AVG
Salus standing right, holding patera before snake entwined altar

3.10 gr
17 mm
6h

Note.
Published in moneytrend 4, 2008, p. 138f. # 30 (this coin illustrated)

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Re: Two rare Eastern denarii of Hadrian
« Reply #177 on: April 28, 2021, 06:32:55 am »
The style is so wild on this it makes me wonder where the line would be between official and unofficial for these issues.

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Re: Two rare Eastern denarii of Hadrian
« Reply #178 on: April 28, 2021, 07:12:07 am »
The style is so wild on this it makes me wonder where the line would be between official and unofficial for these issues.

i see what you mean Martin, there are more like this crude style
see reply 15 and 16
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=39488.msg297017#msg297017

and this one
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-164266
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Re: Two rare Eastern denarii of Hadrian
« Reply #179 on: April 28, 2021, 10:25:42 am »
I would regard this coin as not official but an ancient counterfeit, until proof to the contrary can be shown.
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Re: Two rare Eastern denarii of Hadrian
« Reply #180 on: April 28, 2021, 11:44:43 am »
Thank you both, i have mailed it to mister Abdy, i await his responce 
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Re: Two rare Eastern denarii of Hadrian
« Reply #181 on: July 17, 2021, 08:13:40 am »
new bust for type

Hadrian Denarius 117-30 AD Roma Eastern mint
Reference.
RIC III, 3068 cf; Strack *41var;

Bust D2

Obv. HADRIANVS AVGVSTVS P P
Laureate, draped, cuirassed bust, seen from side

Rev. COS III
Roma, seated left on cuirass and shield, holding Victory and cornucopia.

2.42 gr
19 mm
12h

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Re: Two rare Eastern denarii of Hadrian
« Reply #182 on: July 17, 2021, 01:39:22 pm »
Nice find, Eric... +++

Interesting bust variation  ;)

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Re: Two rare Eastern denarii of Hadrian
« Reply #183 on: July 17, 2021, 01:47:09 pm »
Beautiful coin! I think I have a small correction: The legend seems to be HADRIANUS AUGUSTUS PP, the P's at the end, as often, sloppily engraved and looking like I's. This would make it a variant of RIC² 3068 (3068 has bust type D1, seen from front; yours has D2, seen from the side, which is unlisted in RIC²).

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Re: Two rare Eastern denarii of Hadrian
« Reply #184 on: July 17, 2021, 03:16:08 pm »
yes you are right Rupert forgot the P P

thank you both 
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Re: Two rare Eastern denarii of Hadrian
« Reply #185 on: August 08, 2021, 08:12:36 am »
Dear cf,

CORRECTION its RIC 3135

Here we have an unlisted coin, the type is only known with HADRIANVS AVGVSTVS P P legend, https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=141861 RIC 3133

Reference
Strack --; RIC --

Bust C1

Obv. HADRIANVS AVGUSTUS P P
Laureate, draped bust, viewed from front

Rev. AFRICA
Africa, wearing elephant scalp, reclining left, before basket of fruits, holding scorpion and cornucopia

2.94 gr
20 mm
6h

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Re: Two rare Eastern denarii of Hadrian
« Reply #186 on: October 29, 2021, 07:41:59 am »
Is this an Eastern mint product?
I bought it but it is still in mail so I will use sellers pictures (I am impatient).
HispaniaRe instead of Hispaniae.
The weight of mine is if we trust seller 2.7g and of the Naumann die match 2,82 so rather low.


The style of this type appears to be more eastern, and the altered reverse legend (Hispaniare rather than Hispaniae) points toward an imitative mistake. Either way, it is very similar to the official Rome product, yet not an exact match.


https://www.ebay.de/itm/115064944554?hash=item1aca67b7aa:g:dFwAAOSwA5FheBjo

Same dies sold as Eastern mint or contemporary imitation of Rome

https://www.sixbid-coin-archive.com/#/de/search?text=RIC%20388%20hadrian&companyId=c1228

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Re: Two rare Eastern denarii of Hadrian
« Reply #187 on: October 29, 2021, 07:49:28 am »
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Re: Two rare Eastern denarii of Hadrian
« Reply #188 on: October 29, 2021, 07:58:57 am »
Quote from: okidoki on October 29, 2021, 07:49:28 am
i would suggest post it here https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?board=9.0

I thought that this coin is authentic even if it might be a ancient  Eastern mint product or contemporary imitation.
I collect authentic coins too and I like the stlye and the sloppy letters of this one and it looked fine (fine = authentic) in pictures and the price was much lower than for the Naumann piece so I thought it would be a bargain, too.
But if there is evidence that this coin is fake I would be happy to know because I planned to put it to my authentic coins and I do not like to contaminate my authentic coins with fakes.

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Re: Two rare Eastern denarii of Hadrian
« Reply #189 on: October 29, 2021, 08:07:11 am »
The spelling fault HISPANIARE is also mentioned in RIC (here OCRE)

http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.2_3(2).hdn.3151

unfortunately no picture


Another example was discussed  here:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=101891.0




and BTW: Your coin was previously  sold in hungary, october 2020

https://axioart.com/tetel/romai-birodalom-roma-hadrianus-117-138-denar-ag-hadria

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Re: Two rare Eastern denarii of Hadrian
« Reply #190 on: October 29, 2021, 12:29:21 pm »
Vielen Dank! Thank you very much!
Edit: Arrived

 

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