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Inscription from Antiochia ad Pisidiam (Septimius Severus & Men)

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Timestheus:
Hello...

last weeks i get this coin from Antiochia ad Pisidiam with Septimius Severus and the God Mēn Askaenos.
 

Septimius Severus * AE Bronze Antiochia 193/211 n.Chr. SNG 1117 * Av: IMP CAES L SEPT SEV PER * Rv: ANTIOCH MENCIS * Mēn Askaenos
 
 
At translate the reverse legend "ANTIOCH MENCIS" i learn the lesson, that the cutter in Antiochia sometimes a bit strange in the design of the inscriptions.
Sometimes they write for the God Men "Mensis", sometimes they will write "Mencic", sometimes "Mencis" - like my coin. Ok. Understand.
 
 
Now yesterday i get a new coin from Antiochia ad Pisidiam with Septimius Severus and the God Mēn.
 

 
Septimius Severus * AE Bronze Antiochia 193/211 n.Chr. Krzyzanowska 46 * Av: L SEPT SEV AVG IMP P * Rv: COL MIN ANTIOC * Mēn Askaenos
 
 
So here are my questions - if you could please help me, was fine :)
 
a) Avers Inscription: L SEPT SEV AVG IMP P
So the cutter write "L SEPT SEV AVG IMP" and then suddenly they think - oh no i forgett the P(ertinax) and put it to the end? :D
Ok, seriously. The last P is for Pertinax - right? Lucius Septimius Severus Augustus Imperator Pertinax ...? I think thats correct - isn`t it?

b) Reverse Inscription: COL MIN ANTIOC
Whats that? A new description for the God Men? MIN? Colonia Minsis Antiochia? Men = Mensis = Mencis ... all ok - but MIN?
Whats about this MIN? Anyone know about this correct translation?
 
 
Thanks for helping!

shanxi:
You coin is listed on wildwinds (sold 2010)

https://www.wildwinds.com/coins/greece/pisidia/antioch/t.html


scroll down to Krzy XXV-46







Timestheus:
Thanks! But i know about thuis link... and i would not answer my question :D .... what means MIN ..? I think another more description like Mensis or Mencis or Mencic.
But all MEN description i know starts with an "Me....." - no one with an "Mi..." so i am confused.

Timestheus:
Ok, if anyone read this a long time ago :)

God Men = MHN = MIN

The H sounds like I in the late roman period. Its the same like MENCis and MENSis  on the coins.
There is no mistake of the money makers.

I the later roman period C sound likle S and you can use C for S.
Same for the original description of Men (MHN) sounds like MIN.


Thats all.

Tom Mullally:
I think you shouldn't be overly concerned about spelling or grammar at Pisidian Antioch.  Their celators were notoriously illiterate, there are more legend variations at this mint, including backwards letters and invented spellings, than any other mint I can think of.  I find that it is more common to NOT find a die listed in Kryzanowska than to actually find one, and it's the primary reference!

Tom

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