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Offline Din X

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Maximianus Charthago Follis
« on: February 15, 2022, 05:51:51 am »
What do you think about this coins from the same dies?
Are die links known?
I do not like that there is something like a ghost line on obverse and reverse and this lines actually really looks like the ends of a planchet.
You could argument that it could be very very strange die breaks or die flaws but that there would be one die break or die flaw there on both dies is extremely unlikely.
They do not have patina anymore and one has this artificial black toning/patina.
The surface of 2 of them look very flat and have edge cracks imply that they are rather pressed than struck.





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Re: Maximianus Charthago Follis
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2022, 06:21:37 am »
I don't want to comment on the originality of these coins, however ghost lines on both sides look suspicious. Certainly, all three were created using the same pair of stamps (the fourth coin at the top is repeated as I understand it, to show additional ghost lines). If I were to take into account the overall appearance of the coin at first glance, only the bottom one would look suspicious to me - it's hard for me to say if it's just an artificial patina or something else difficult to capture in its overall style.

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Re: Maximianus Charthago Follis
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2022, 10:24:43 am »
A lot of suspicious details, which separately might be acceptable, but together raise serious doubts.

And these big flans... Also, I don't like lettering. I can't precisely explain why, because it is beyond reasoning - my eye tells me so.

Did you browse acsearch for die links?
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Re: Maximianus Charthago Follis
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2022, 11:19:51 am »
Also, I don't like lettering. I can't precisely explain why, because it is beyond reasoning - my eye tells me so.



I agree. Below is a picture of a follis of Constantine from Carthage. Compare the lettering - especially on the reverse.
Notice on the coins above KAPT instead of KART on the reverse.

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Re: Maximianus Charthago Follis
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2022, 11:22:08 am »
I did a fast look but could not find any.
The problem ist that many of the die links are not plausible (combining dies of different emperors and mints) and it is harder to searching for something you do not expect to exist.
I am not familar with these coins but I have noticed that there are many roman Bronze coins (some are published in bulletin others have been condemned here etc.) which all share the same problems and so I am curious why. (same workshop and forger?)

The Characteristics are of which at least some and often all are found on these fakes:

1. No patina or artificial patina/toning
2. ghost lines which look like the end of a planchet and incompelte dotted border
3. damaged letters and soft details
4. impossible die links (only some have)
5. strange looking style and details (possibly wrong recut details)

what about starting a thread and posting all Roman AE fakes with this characteristics?
I think that they are recut transfer or only die fakes, which would explain the ghost lines, if you cut dies you will always cut a compelte dotted border and even on many transfer dies the dotted border is recut becasue it is really easy to do so other details are much much much much much much much harder to recut that it looks ok.




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Re: Maximianus Charthago Follis
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2022, 11:42:14 am »
Notice on the coins above KAPT instead of KART on the reverse.

Honestly, I didn't notice that. Another detail which gives clue.
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Re: Maximianus Charthago Follis
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2022, 11:50:01 am »
what about starting a thread and posting all Roman AE fakes with this characteristics?

Good idea. You are welcome to do this, Din (as a highly competent specialist).

It would probably be too tiring to move everything into one thread. But one thread with links (and comments) to other threads about similarly suspicious coins would be fine.
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Re: Maximianus Charthago Follis
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2022, 12:02:52 pm »
For some of them are no threads available so far or better I am not aware of threads about them.

I have already started a thread

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Re: Maximianus Charthago Follis
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2022, 12:03:01 pm »
This is a known fake type - I've got a few more saved photo. Not sure where it was discussed since it's not currently in FORVM fake reports.

By itself it looks kinda OK, but compared to a genuine one (top coin, below) you can see that style of bust and reverse is off too.

 

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