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Offline Basil

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anonymous folles
« on: August 10, 2021, 07:48:13 am »
Hi experts,
the existence of anonymous concave / convex shaped folles cannot yet be fully explained. I myself have been dealing with this topic for many years and now have around 30 copies in classes A1 to K. I'm currently looking for more examples on this topic. Perhaps one of you also owns one or more pieces. If this is possible, I would be very grateful for further information such as metrological data and images.
Regards Basil

Offline Byzantofil

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Re: anonymous folles
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2021, 03:24:54 pm »
Here it is concaved coin from the Pushkin State Museum of Fine Arts, Moscow.

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Re: anonymous folles
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2021, 01:25:00 pm »
Thank you Byzantofil,
A new copy from the same era that I hadn't seen before. How did you find that?
Thanks again
Basil

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Re: anonymous folles
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2021, 04:30:54 pm »
This is a photo from the Pushkin Museum Byzantine coins collection catalog mentioned above.  Recently caught my eye.

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Re: anonymous folles
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2021, 03:25:17 pm »
After a cross over period the old money was no longer legal tender. These coins were illegally concaved to pass as trachea, I have a follis or two that was cut to tetarteron size just to pass as legal currency.

The follis was the equivalent to a cosmopolitan tetarteron ( small silver content 2-4%)  , that exchange around 3 or 4 to one billion trachy. The billion trachy only had up to 8% silver in it and most of that disappeared as it began to circulate, it would have been difficult to tell the difference of the imitation vs a circulated billion trachy ( At a glance.).
The billion trachy also only circulated i the city and Asia minor , not Greece so depending on where the original owner was it determined why he chose to imitate a trachy. He was also increasing the value of his coin.

Simon
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=5633 My main collection of Tetartera. Post reform coinage.

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Re: anonymous folles
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2021, 05:34:15 am »
Here is another artificially concaved follis. Perhaps you already know this photo.
Heraclius, 610-641  d=35 mm Follis, Thessalonica c. 614-615, æ 10.58 g.

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Re: anonymous folles
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2021, 11:22:02 am »
Hello Byzantofil,
this is another very interesting specimen of an artificially concaved follis. Thank you for showing. Do you have additional information on this, e.g. regarding provenance etc.?
Basil

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Re: anonymous folles
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2021, 05:03:07 pm »
Unfortunately I have no information.  The coin was sold at some online auction, the price was in Swiss francs.

Offline Vladislav D

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Re: anonymous folles
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2021, 10:35:09 am »
I bought this coin a few months ago but it disappeared during shipping.
27mm/8.5 gr.

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=97326.msg601534#msg601534
 
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Vlad.

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Re: anonymous folles
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2021, 08:24:57 pm »
31mm/13.8 g.

 

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