Author Topic: Quadrans's medieval coin Gallery: (Read 163254 times)

Edward D · « **Reply #950 on:** February 10, 2021, 02:08:26 pm »

Nice coin and interesting sigla!

quadrans · « **Reply #951 on:** February 10, 2021, 02:25:53 pm »

Thank you, Edward,

I hope you enjoy it...

Regards

Joe

Justin W · « **Reply #952 on:** February 10, 2021, 02:41:16 pm »

Nice addition Quadrans. I don’t much about these coins, but the look awesome!

Best Regards,

Justin

quadrans · « **Reply #953 on:** February 10, 2021, 02:48:37 pm »

Dear Justin, Thank you,

I'm happy if you like it...

Regards

Joe

quadrans · « **Reply #954 on:** February 11, 2021, 05:57:56 pm »

New addition today: Béla II., (Béla II. the Blind), King of Hungary, AR-Denarius,

13.04. Béla II., (Béla II. the Blind), King of Hungary, (1131-1141 A.D.), AR-Denarius, CÁC I. 13.04./a5.12./083., H-050, CNH I.-059, U-043, #01
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-168227

Regards

Joe/Q.

quadrans · « **Reply #955 on:** February 14, 2021, 05:14:56 am »

New addition: Salamon., (Solomon ), AR-Denarius,

07.1. Salamon., (Solomon ), King of Hungary, (1063-1074 A.D.), AR-Denarius, CÁC I. 07.1./b3.01./14., with the 7.1.2./1 reverse, H-014, CNH I.-019, U-008, + VDVNNONENI and/or + ΛPΛNNONENI, (retrograde), Rare! #01
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-168264

Regards

Joe/Q.

Stkp · « **Reply #956 on:** February 14, 2021, 11:49:15 am »

Great coin, Joe. Stkp

Justin W · « **Reply #957 on:** February 14, 2021, 11:55:07 am »

Nice coin quadrans, he has an interesting version of the name Solomon I have never seen it spelled like that.

Best Regards,
Justin

quadrans · « **Reply #958 on:** February 14, 2021, 11:55:31 am »

Thank you , Steve 👍

Joe

quadrans · « **Reply #959 on:** February 14, 2021, 12:21:11 pm »

Quote from: Justin W on February 14, 2021, 11:55:07 am

Nice coin quadrans, he has an interesting version of the name Solomon I have never seen it spelled like that.

Best Regards,
Justin

Hi Justin,

The Hungarian language little bit complicated sometime 🤗👍

Regards

Joe

Stkp · « **Reply #960 on:** February 14, 2021, 12:42:05 pm »

The Hungarian language little bit complicated sometime 🤗👍
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Just sometimes? I exchanged some correspondence with a historian in the UK who informed me that she heard that Hungarian was voted to be the most difficult foreign language by British diplomats.

Stkp

quadrans · « **Reply #961 on:** February 14, 2021, 01:03:34 pm »

Hahaha,

We have a great story, some Hungarian scientist (Physicist, some of them get the Noble prize later), was talking in the US around the 1940s about some atomic physics problem, and when the others left they continued the discussion in Hungarian, later the other's comes back and they didn't understand anything, after that, and the group of Hungarian scientists "name" was the "Martians"...

Joe

shanxi · « **Reply #962 on:** February 14, 2021, 01:20:07 pm »

Quote from: quadrans on February 14, 2021, 01:03:34 pm

and the group of Hungarian scientists "name" was the "Martians"...

There's a Wikipedia artice about the "Martians"

https://tinyurl.com/yp3ckohz

quadrans · « **Reply #963 on:** February 14, 2021, 01:46:12 pm »

Yes, Shanxi, that is ...

Thanks

Regards

Joe

quadrans · « **Reply #964 on:** February 16, 2021, 11:34:06 am »

New addition: Ottokar II. of Bohemia, Wiener Pfennig,

Austria, CNA I. B-172, Ottokar II. of Bohemia (1251-1276 A.D.), King, Vienna mint, AR-Pfennig, (Wiener Pfennig) #1
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-168307

Regards

Joe/Q.

Edward D · « **Reply #965 on:** February 16, 2021, 12:06:40 pm »

Nice coins!

quadrans · « **Reply #966 on:** February 16, 2021, 02:17:10 pm »

Thank you, Edward,

Joe/Q.

Stkp · « **Reply #967 on:** February 17, 2021, 08:35:03 pm »

Quote from: quadrans on February 16, 2021, 11:34:06 am

New addition: Ottokar II. of Bohemia, Wiener Pfennig,
Austria, CNA I. B-172, Ottokar II. of Bohemia (1251-1276 A.D.), King, Vienna mint, AR-Pfennig, (Wiener Pfennig) #1
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-168307

Nice coin, Joe. In your book you attribute the coin to Béla IV and identify the Hebrew letter as a ט/tet. Has your opinion recently changed? Stkp

quadrans · « **Reply #968 on:** February 19, 2021, 10:26:18 am »

Hi Steve,

Interesting question. We have several discussions with my co-author about this coin.
at first, we followed initially the same line that Huszár, that was the reason why we chose the Hebrew letter "Tet" "ט", in our Book Vol III., after some discussion the other people who professionally know the medieval Hebrew letters, they suggested me to use the "Pe or Fe" "פ" instead of "Tet" "ט", as we described that in our new article in the KOINON III.
Not easy to compare because this two-letter very similar to the shape looks only turning right or left 90 degrees.

22A.76. Béla IV., King of Hungary, (1235-1270 A.D.), CÁC III. 22A.76.01.1., H-400-401, CNH I.-348, U-274(?), AR-Denar (Wiener Pfennig?), #01
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-168356

"This coin is a member of the so-called "Wiener-Pfennig" group, which are minted for use in the Hungarian circulation at that time (Béla IV. 1235-1270 AD), in a lighter weight, and smaller diameter, and round shape, in line with the Hungarian currency at that time.
This coin also mentioned by the Austrian Corpus, CNA I. B-172, connected to Ottokar II. of Bohemia (1251-1276 A.D.), King, as Vienna mint, AR-Pfennig, (Wiener Pfennig) in greater weight, and larger size and not round shape!. "

Regards

Joe

Stkp · « **Reply #969 on:** February 19, 2021, 09:11:21 pm »

Thanks for the explanation, Joe.

I read the KOINON article but did not refer to it when looking at the coin and your attribution. The ט/tet and the פ/pe-fe appear identical, depending on the orientation of the coin. Since the reverse of the coin is otherwise symmetrical, the correct orientation of the coin, and thus of the letter, is up for grabs.

If one subscribes to the view that the letter is a mint-master-mark (which to me appears to be the most likly explanation), as concluded by Rádóczy and Nagy, the letter would likely be a ט/tet, as Teka was ennobled by András II and was active during the reign of Béla IV -- at least until 1243. The פ/pe-fe is likely attributable to Fredman, whose known activities were subsequent to Béla IV.

Of course, Rádóczy and Nagy presupposed that the coin is of Hungarian issuance, in the style of a Vienna pfenning. If it is of Austrian issuance, the identities of the mint-masters would differ, thus compounding the uncertainties.

A definitive identification of the letter may never be made.

Stkp

quadrans · « **Reply #970 on:** February 20, 2021, 12:17:34 pm »

Hi, Steve,

I think there will be a lot and many more discussions about this in the near future.

Regards

Joe

quadrans · « **Reply #971 on:** February 20, 2021, 12:23:56 pm »

New additions today: Two oboloi from András II.,

21.24. András II., (Andreas II.), King of Hungary, (1205-1235 A.D.), CÁC III. 21.24.1.1./d1.2./after 7. before 8., New Sigla !, H-223, CNH I.-187, U-199, AR-Obulus Very Rare! #01
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-168381

21.24. András II., (Andreas II.), King of Hungary, (1205-1235 A.D.), CÁC III. 21.24.1.1./a1.4./after 4. before 5., New Sigla !, H-223, CNH I.-187, U-199, AR-Obulus Very Rare! #01
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-168382

Regards

Joe/Q

Stkp · « **Reply #972 on:** February 21, 2021, 12:02:05 am »

Nice additions. Stkp

quadrans · « **Reply #973 on:** February 21, 2021, 02:55:59 am »

Thak you, Steve, 👍

Joe

quadrans · « **Reply #974 on:** February 21, 2021, 06:04:05 am »

New addition today: István V., AR-Denarius,

23.17. István V., (Stephen V.), King of Hungary, ((1245)1270-1272 A.D.), CÁC III. 23.17.1.1., H-316(IV. Béla), CNH I.-249(IV. Béla), U-237(IV. Béla), AR-Denarius, #01
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-168391

Regards

Joe/Q.

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