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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Silver
« Reply #50 on: November 12, 2016, 08:44:20 am »
Duyrat 2005, série III


Phoenicia, Arados 119-118 B.C

AR 13.47mm (Thickness 1.64mm), weight 1.84g, die axis = 12h (0 degrees), Hemidrachm.

Obverse: Turreted head of Tyche right, palm frond over shoulder, border of dots.

Reverse: Prow of galley left with stem rising forward, ΘC, B (beth) monogram above, border of dots, Aradian era date AMP (141) below.


Below is an updated list from Duyrat 2005.

An 141 (119/8), ΘC, Beth

1:  1604  D12-R15, Berlin, Imhoof-Blumer (1900). 1,87 g, 12,9 mm, 12 h.

2.  1605  D12-R15, Elsen J., Bruxelles, 49, 19 avril 1997, no 331. 1,91 g.

3.  1606  D12-R15, Londres, BM, BMC 318, percée à 2 h. 1,74 g, 13,6 mm, 12 h.

4.  1607  D12-R15, Londres, BM, BMC 319. 1,62 g, 12,9 mm, 12 h.

5.  1608  D12-R15,Paris,BNF,Babelonno 1054.1,83g,13,6mm, 12 h.

6.  1609  D12-R15,Paris,BNF,Babelonno 1054a.1,59g,12,9mm, 12 h.

7.  1610  D12-R15, Paris, BNF, L. De Clercq no 307. 1,83 g, 14,2 mm, 12 h.

8.  1611  D12-R15, SNG Aberdeen, Newnham Davis collection, no 458. 1,72 g, 1 h.

9.  1611  D12-R15, Stockholm, Collection Martin Rowe. No. QF. 13.47mm, 1,84 g, 12 h.

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Silver
« Reply #51 on: November 19, 2016, 07:24:52 am »
Phoenicia, Arados 380-350 B.C

AR 9.63mm (Thickness 1.33mm), weight 0.63g, die axis = 9h (270 degrees), Obol.

Obverse: Laureate and bearded head of Baál Arwad with full eye right.

Reverse: Galley sailing right above waves (two lines) with figure of Pataikos right, all within dotted square border. Phoenician letters aleph (´) & mem (M) above.

https://phoeniciancoins.wordpress.com/2016/11/19/ar-no-begp-o-380-350m9-o-qh/

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Silver
« Reply #52 on: November 19, 2016, 09:45:11 am »
 +++

"Broke the sword and take your pick and follow me to cultivate peace and love in the midst of the earth. "


Message of the God Baal head of Syrian Gods to humanity ....      signed 5000 years ago .

In Syria , if someone cultivated wheat , counting only on nature or rain ...
they say he or she plants Baal.
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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Silver
« Reply #53 on: January 08, 2017, 12:37:13 pm »
Obol dating from between 380-350 B.C.

Ref: HGC 10, Pg.15 No.46; Betylon Pg.86 No.13.


Obverse: Laureate and bearded head of Baál Arwad with full eye right.

Reverse: Galley sailing right above waves (two lines) with figure of Pataikos right, all within dotted square border. Phoenician letters aleph (´) & mem (M) above.


https://phoeniciancoins.wordpress.com/2017/01/08/ar-no-begp-o-380-350m6-o-cx/

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Silver
« Reply #54 on: January 20, 2017, 09:51:09 am »
Very interesting date. +++
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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Silver
« Reply #55 on: January 20, 2017, 10:50:19 am »
Very interesting date. +++

Thanks Sam,

You are of course referring to 380-350 B.C, Phoenician letters mem & alepth above the galley mean belonging/of Arados.

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Silver
« Reply #56 on: January 20, 2017, 12:42:28 pm »
Precisely.
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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Silver
« Reply #57 on: January 21, 2017, 09:08:05 pm »
Quote from: Martin Rowe on January 08, 2017, 12:37:13 pm
Obol dating from between 380-350 B.C.

Ref: HGC 10, Pg.15 No.46; Betylon Pg.86 No.13.


Obverse: Laureate and bearded head of Baál Arwad with full eye right.

Reverse: Galley sailing right above waves (two lines) with figure of Pataikos right, all within dotted square border. Phoenician letters aleph (´) & mem (M) above.


https://phoeniciancoins.wordpress.com/2017/01/08/ar-no-begp-o-380-350m6-o-cx/

A very nice and interesting obol.. +++ :) ;)

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Silver
« Reply #58 on: February 12, 2017, 11:09:03 am »
Fourrèe in Semi-barbarous style

This coin was mistakenly advertised as a fourrée from Ephesos, it´s actually a coin of Arados. The city name of ΑΡΑΔΙΩΝ can be seen on the reverse in right field. Very little is known about these particular fourrée, only two other specimens have ever been found.  The obverse monogram appears to consist of letters A & P and were possibly intended to mean Arados, the letter gamma can be seen to the left and above the letter A (note. this could be a makers mark and not the city monogram).  We can also see the Aradian era date, epsilon & lamda in left field (possibly year 135 or 125-124 BCE). Although the style could be deemed semi-barbarous, i feel that this fourrée was the result of silver depletion towards the end of the workshops quota. Regrettably the coin as taken an heavy battering and much of the silver has fallen away, still it is an important find and one that i felt needed to be documented.

https://phoeniciancoins.wordpress.com/2017/02/12/ar-no-bspt-88-150λe-8-drachm-qz/

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Silver
« Reply #59 on: February 12, 2017, 09:53:29 pm »
A fascinating coin.  It is a well-made fourree, and while the style is off normal, it is still rather attractive.  I have never before seen a fourree of this coin.

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Silver
« Reply #60 on: February 13, 2017, 12:22:58 pm »
Thanks i´m really glad you liked it. +++  

By the way are you really sure you haven't seen this type of fourrée before  ::)

See links.

Halfway down the page on the first link.  ;)

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=98824.25

https://phoeniciancoins.wordpress.com/2016/10/18/fire-damaged-drachm-fourree/


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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Silver
« Reply #61 on: February 13, 2017, 02:11:38 pm »
Defective memory!  A growing problem in my case!

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Silver
« Reply #62 on: February 13, 2017, 02:46:41 pm »
I am just obssessed with phoenician coinage, a very neat coin no matter in what condition, and this type is on my wish list, i hope to acquire one soon, Dear Martin keep charming us with them :)
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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Silver
« Reply #63 on: February 14, 2017, 02:30:11 am »

I aquired one 35 years ago.

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Silver
« Reply #64 on: February 14, 2017, 05:25:28 am »
I am just obssessed with phoenician coinage, a very neat coin no matter in what condition, and this type is on my wish list, i hope to acquire one soon, Dear Martin keep charming us with them :)

Nice to hear that i´m not the only obssessed collector of Phoenician coins. How extensive is your collection and do you have your own website or blog ?

Time permitting, i will do my upmost to keep you all informed of new types and interesting rarities (watch this space). ;)

Thanks for the kind words Canaan, don´t hesitate to post your coins and help promote our passion.

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Silver
« Reply #65 on: February 14, 2017, 05:35:23 am »

I aquired one 35 years ago.

Pekka K

Hi Pekka,

I coudn´t make out the monogram or year for your coin, do you have an attribution for it ?

Your coin as a wonderful patina, but it´s hard to tell from your image whether the coin is silver or fourrée ?

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Silver
« Reply #66 on: February 14, 2017, 05:42:16 am »
My Phoenician coins are modest and all bronzes as I was into Roman coins but I am tending to be more and and into Phoenician coins now , I will be posting my Aradian and Phoenician coins in my gallery here on Forum when I can.
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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Silver
« Reply #67 on: February 14, 2017, 06:12:58 am »

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Hi Pekka,

I coudn´t make out the monogram or year for your coin, do you have an attribution for it ?

Your coin as a wonderful patina, but it´s hard to tell from your image whether the coin is silver or fourrée ?

Martin
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Looks silver inside the hole, too. Identified only HGC-73. 3.1 g 17.4 mm.

I tried to read the monogram, and looks like  :Greek_Iota:  :Greek_Lambda:  :Greek_Upsilon: (?)

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Silver
« Reply #68 on: February 14, 2017, 04:21:01 pm »
It´s hard to be 100% sure without clearer images, but i think your coin is a close match with the following.

The obverse die looks like Arados year 95 (165-164 BCE) with reference Duyrat 2005 No.2747 and the reverse die is very similar to Duyrat No.2813 (era date 98).


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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Silver
« Reply #69 on: February 14, 2017, 09:27:02 pm »
Recently someone asked me what the smallest ancient coin was.  I checked the ANS database.  The ten lightest-weight coins are all of Arados, all of the same type, and this is the lightest:

385 BC - 332 BC, 1/16 obol, Aradus, Obverse: Head of male deity, Dagon?, Reverse: Tortoise, 0.029g

The ANS hasn't photographed any of their specimens.  I have never seen an example of the type.  Does anyone have one in their collection?  I have nothing of Arados before Hellenistic times.

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Silver
« Reply #70 on: February 15, 2017, 02:56:33 am »

Thank you Martin for nice identification of my old coin.

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Silver
« Reply #71 on: February 15, 2017, 03:14:25 am »

Thank you Martin for nice identification of my old coin.

Pekka K

My pleasure Pekka, were you able to confirm the date and monogram ?

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Silver
« Reply #72 on: February 15, 2017, 03:37:00 am »

At least the date is now confirmed.

The hole distracts the monogram, but
this seems to be the best fit.

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Silver
« Reply #73 on: August 29, 2017, 01:30:09 pm »
Semi-Barbarous Drachm Fourreé

Semi-barbarous coins are often extremely difficult to date due to their confusing and illegible lettering. On this coin however one can clearly see the letters BP perfectly formed in left field, this combination of letters could be mistaken as Aradian year 102 (158-157 B.C). But unfortunately year 102 as already been allotted to official coins with PB read from left to right; ref Duyrat 2005 2871-2882 on page 79. Due to the coin being a fourreé the chances of correctly dating it will be remote.

Read more here.
https://phoeniciancoins.wordpress.com/2017/08/29/semi-barbarous-drachm-fourree/

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Re: Phoenicia Arados - Silver
« Reply #74 on: August 29, 2017, 04:52:39 pm »
I always enjoy your new addition .. :)

Congratulation Martin  +++

Regards

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