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Author Topic: Probus Not in RIC V-II, and Not in Alfoldi-Siscia ???  (Read 1032 times)

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Probus Not in RIC V-II, and Not in Alfoldi-Siscia ???
« on: July 22, 2014, 02:29:10 pm »
I find this Probus coin in my collection and I hesitate to say: Not in RIC this bust and legend and officina variation and I also not find this variation in Alfoldi's book .

 am I right ???

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112 Probus (276-282 A.D.), AE-Antoninianus, RIC V-II 650var (Not-in-RIC this Bust-C, Not in Alföldi this bust, legend and officina combination ??? ), Siscia, CONCORD MILIT, Bust-C, P//XXI, Emperor clasping hand of Concordia, Rare !!!,
avers:- IMP-C-M-AVR-PROBVS-P-F-AVG, Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right. (C)
revers:- CONCORD-MILIT, Emperor standing right, clasping hand of Concordia.
exerg: P//XXI, diameter: 21-22,5mm, weight: 2,90g, axis: 0h,
mint: Siscia, 7th emission, date: 280 A.D., ref: RIC-V-II-650var (Not-in-RIC this Bust -C), Alföldi type 26 No Not in Alföldi this bust, legend and officina combination???, Rare ???

Thank you your help.. +++

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Re: Probus Not in RIC V-II, and Not in Alfoldi-Siscia ???
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2014, 02:39:54 pm »
Alföldi 26-121, attested by one spec. in Oxford?
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Re: Probus Not in RIC V-II, and Not in Alfoldi-Siscia ???
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2014, 03:03:25 pm »
Alföldi 26-121, attested by one spec. in Oxford?

Thank you Curtis ....

 You mean this coin are Alfoldi type 26 and No: 121 , but Not in RIC ???

I thought about this before but the signals used by "Alfoldi" are not clearly described in the book so ambiguous.
Did someone know what you exactly which sign means? The majority completely clear, but for example, the "p" in the ring or square, and the "c" and so is not entirely clear to me.
" Sorry about the bad Englishness"
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Re: Probus Not in RIC V-II, and Not in Alfoldi-Siscia ???
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2014, 03:08:42 pm »
c = cuirassed, seen from front.

c in square = cuirassed, seen from back.

p in circle = paludamentum ("draped"), seen from front.

p in square = ditto, seen from back.
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Re: Probus Not in RIC V-II, and Not in Alfoldi-Siscia ???
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2014, 03:11:08 pm »
c = cuirassed, seen from front.

c in square = cuirassed, seen from back.

p in circle = paludamentum ("draped"), seen from front.

p in square = ditto, seen from back.

 Hi Curtis  :)

It was very kind of you.. +++

 Thank you very much..

 Joe

p.s.

The draped and cuirassed bust (C-type in RIC ) wich way described by "Alfoldi" ???
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Re: Probus Not in RIC V-II, and Not in Alfoldi-Siscia ???
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2014, 03:19:39 pm »
It was litle bit confused to me because the Alföldi's book written in German it means in german the cuirass are "Pancer" or "Panzer" ???

that mixed me a bit ..
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Re: Probus Not in RIC V-II, and Not in Alfoldi-Siscia ???
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2014, 03:25:16 pm »
Alföldi doesn't appear to distinguish between "draped" and "draped and cuirassed".

He includes both types under his designation "p", "with paludamentum".
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Re: Probus Not in RIC V-II, and Not in Alfoldi-Siscia ???
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2014, 03:36:26 pm »
Alföldi doesn't appear to distinguish between "draped" and "draped and cuirassed".

He includes both types under his designation "p", "with paludamentum".

Ohhh

 Its more clear .. :)

That was the problem why I do not belive this is Alfoldi 26 No121 because I belived that are the bust A by RIC ...
 Thank you again ..
a "small light was swiched on in my mind"... ;) +++

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Re: Probus Not in RIC V-II, and Not in Alfoldi-Siscia ???
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2014, 10:31:01 am »


Hello Joszef,
Yes, Curtis is right: your coin corresponds to Alföldi 26, 121. As a matter of fact, it is from the same pair of dies as the coin in Oxford listed by Alföldi.
I don't have any other similar coin in my database, so I think yours is the second known exemplary.
The issue it belongs to is earlier than 280 AD (4th em. following my own classification). Congratulations,
S. Estiot

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Re: Probus Not in RIC V-II, and Not in Alfoldi-Siscia ???
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2014, 03:45:24 pm »
Dear Sylviane ..

Thank you again your help, and useful remarks.. :)

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 Joe.
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