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Nice Scarce Pius Dupondius RIC III 804, Rome, PAX AVG,
« on: July 07, 2014, 05:41:13 pm »
Nice Scarce Pius Dupondius

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035 Antoninus Pius (138-161 A.D.), AE-Dupondius, RIC III 804, Rome, PAX AVG, S-C, Pax standing left, Scarce !
avers:- ANTONINVS-AVG-PI-VS-P-P-TRP-COS-IIII, Radiate head right.
revers:-PAX-AVG, Pax standing left, setting fire with torch to heap of arms and holding cornucopiae.
exe: -/-//--, diameter: 27mm, weight: x,xxg, axis: h,
mint: Rome, date: 145-161 A.D., ref: RIC-III-804-p-128, C-593, Scarce !
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Re: Nice Scarce Pius Dupondius RIC III 804, Rome, PAX AVG,
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2014, 02:28:59 pm »
Wow, what a fascinating coin.

100 years later Paxes would hold imperial scepters; this one has a cornucopia and destroys hated instruments of violence.

How should this be interpreted?  Was this a renunciation of war, or the ceremonial disposal of captured weapons and armor after a victory?

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Re: Nice Scarce Pius Dupondius RIC III 804, Rome, PAX AVG,
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2014, 01:56:29 am »
Wow, what a fascinating coin.

100 years later Paxes would hold imperial scepters; this one has a cornucopia and destroys hated instruments of violence.

How should this be interpreted?  Was this a renunciation of war, or the ceremonial disposal of captured weapons and armor after a victory?

 Hmm thank you manpace your notes... :)

Yes I agree this is interestimg ..
I not find the Sestertius and As as a same revers type only this Dupondius..
RIC rated Scarce .. but I do not find so many examples..
Any of you have some more info ??
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Re: Nice Scarce Pius Dupondius RIC III 804, Rome, PAX AVG,
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2014, 04:52:17 am »
Trajan had the same reverse design on denarii (Pax setting fire to arms), RIC 102. My example has scratches so it's a bit hard to see.


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Re: Nice Scarce Pius Dupondius RIC III 804, Rome, PAX AVG,
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2014, 05:00:45 am »
Thank you your comment..

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Re: Nice Scarce Pius Dupondius RIC III 804, Rome, PAX AVG,
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2014, 11:07:40 am »
How should this be interpreted?  Was this a renunciation of war, or the ceremonial disposal of captured weapons and armor after a victory?

Yes, the incineration of enemy arms after a victory.

The dupondius and As of this type are scarce: BMC p. 281 for the dupondius (not in BM by 1968), BM 1752 for the As.

The sestertius, however, with COS IIII on rev. rather than obv., is quite common: BM 1698-1704 (7 spec.), see image below.
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Re: Nice Scarce Pius Dupondius RIC III 804, Rome, PAX AVG,
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2014, 12:06:13 pm »
Trajan had the same reverse design on denarii (Pax setting fire to arms), RIC 102. My example has scratches so it's a bit hard to see.



FWIW, Trajan's got a dupondius that shows something similar.

http://wildwinds.com/coins/ric/trajan/RIC_0507.jpg

EDIT:  WHOOPS, Curtis already mentioned the dupondius.

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Re: Nice Scarce Pius Dupondius RIC III 804, Rome, PAX AVG,
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2014, 12:08:56 pm »
How should this be interpreted?  Was this a renunciation of war, or the ceremonial disposal of captured weapons and armor after a victory?

Yes, the incineration of enemy arms after a victory.

Would there be a specific victory in mind, or just the general sense of "here we are doing what winners do"?

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Re: Nice Scarce Pius Dupondius RIC III 804, Rome, PAX AVG,
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2014, 03:33:23 pm »
How should this be interpreted?  Was this a renunciation of war, or the ceremonial disposal of captured weapons and armor after a victory?

Yes, the incineration of enemy arms after a victory.

The dupondius and As of this type are scarce: BMC p. 281 for the dupondius (not in BM by 1968), BM 1752 for the As.

The sestertius, however, with COS IIII on rev. rather than obv., is quite common: BM 1698-1704 (7 spec.), see image below.

Hi Curtis

 Thank you very much your remarks.. :)

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Re: Nice Scarce Pius Dupondius RIC III 804, Rome, PAX AVG,
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2014, 03:38:58 pm »
How should this be interpreted?  Was this a renunciation of war, or the ceremonial disposal of captured weapons and armor after a victory?

Yes, the incineration of enemy arms after a victory.

Would there be a specific victory in mind, or just the general sense of "here we are doing what winners do"?

Thank you manpace

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Re: Nice Scarce Pius Dupondius RIC III 804, Rome, PAX AVG,
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2014, 07:47:34 pm »
Would there be a specific victory in mind, or just the general sense of "here we are doing what winners do"?

Hard to say. One would have to investigate when exactly the type appeared, and what wars were being fought or completed at the time. The type was used by Galba, Vitellius, Vespasian, Domitian, Trajan, Antoninus Pius, and Marcus Aurelius. See Schmidt-Dick, Typenatlas I, pp. 82-3.

According to Strack, Trajan p. 125, this type commemorated the formal termination of a war, rather like closing the doors of the Temple of Janus. I don't entirely follow his reasoning. According to Woytek, Trajan's Pax igniting arms type didn't appear until 111, four years after his second Dacian triumph of sommer 107. That date is certainly correct, because the type is found not only dated COS V, but also COS V DES VI (late 111) and COS VI (1 Jan. 112 on).
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Re: Nice Scarce Pius Dupondius RIC III 804, Rome, PAX AVG,
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2014, 08:49:06 pm »
Thank you Curtis  +++
Your discussion are most interesting..

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