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« on: May 09, 2019, 11:49:22 am »

Can you please have a look at the image below, and let me know where it may
be from, and what exactly it may be.

I think I can see a few letters on the side I will call the obverse, which appear to
read S MIC - ARCH (or similar). I expect that this may be intended to mean "Saint
Michael Archangel", although this could be completely wrong - I have no idea.

The other side, reverse if you will, appears to show three people praying, with
what may be a Scottish thistle above. Perhaps this is from Scotland?

It is not ancient, clearly old, but how old? Medieval? 18th cent.? 19th cent.?

I also expect that it may be some sort of religious medal, but I have no expertise
in that area at all, for too modern for what I know or am used to identifying.

Apparently Copper or other base metal; 22mm and 3.15g.

Does anyone recognise this item? Anyone know what it is (or may be)?

Thanks for any assistance given, and/or suggestions offered.

- Walter
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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2019, 12:26:22 pm »

For the obverse:

Scales and sword are common attributes of archangel Michael, there might also be the dragon below his feet.


Reverse:

Are there flames around the praying people??
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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2019, 12:50:18 am »

Thanks shanxi,

For the obverse:
Scales and sword are common attributes of archangel Michael, there might also be the dragon below his feet.

I think you are right, there is a (rather crocodile-looking) dragon there.

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Reverse: Are there flames around the praying people??

Looks like it.

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« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2019, 05:17:32 am »

Does this (above) clarification and additional information assist anyone in
identifying this item any further, or more specifically? Source/Place of issue?
Date? Reference? Perhaps even a possible value? Anything?

Thanks again,

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« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2019, 11:00:35 am »

The reverse is baffling me. I am only guessing but I think that the item could be some sort of religious "protection" medal.

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« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2019, 09:31:24 am »

Bump!

Any additional thoughts, ideas, suggestions about this item?

Much appreciated,

- Walter
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« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2019, 10:07:12 am »

Dear Walter and Board,

Another specimen of this devotional medal, struck with a different variation of the same reverse theme, and from a different obverse die, was posted some years ago on Lamoneta:

https://www.lamoneta.it/topic/135673-identificazione-3-devozionali/

The interpretation of the designs sounds right to me.  Hope this helps.


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Mark Fox
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« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2019, 10:14:28 am »

Thanks Mark,
That's an extraordinary find of yours. How do you do it!

I had translated (via DeepL) the text proposing identification, as follows:
Devotional medal of suffrage, round, bronze/brass, 18th century -
Obv/ St. Michael the Archangel, with sword and scale (his attributes),
inscription: S. MIC - ARCH.-
Rev/ Souls praying in the flames of purgatory, high radiant clouds.


From the original Italian:
"Medaglia devozionale di sufragio, tonda, bronzo/ottone,del XVIII sec.-
D/ S. Michele Arcangelo, con spada e bilancia (suoi attributi), scritta: S. MIC -
ARCH.- R/ Anime purganti tra le fiamme del purgatorio, in alto nubi raggianti.
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One very big step closer thanks to you, Mark.

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« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2019, 12:25:56 pm »

Dear Walter & Board,

It is called having a little time and energy on a Sunday and taking a shortcut.  I simply used "S MIC - ARCH" as a search string (with the quotes) in my browser.

By the way, did you ever receive the requested copy of my Lucian/Glykon coin article I e-mailed you on April 21?  I sent it to the same address that is listed in your Forvm profile.

Hope all is well.
 

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« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2019, 11:07:58 am »

Hi Mark,

Thanks again for yours.

It seems I was searching for too much! I did the same search, but with a couple
of additional parameters added (I think it was: scales, sword, and scot or thistle).
Proving that sometimes less is more!

- Walter

(Yes, your email arrived, thanks again - I'll have to ask my email provider why you
did not get my reply)
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