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Nice small ,La Tene AE Celtic fibula,
« on: April 18, 2014, 12:11:37 pm »
Nice small ,La Tene AE Celtic fibula,

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La Tene AE Celtic fibula, Fibula #113,
type: Celtic fibula, A small bronze celtic fibula (for children?) of the La Tene period.
size: 43x10x8mm,
weight: 2,31g,
date: 1st century B.C. to 1st century A.D., ???
ref:  ??? .,
distribution: ??? ,

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Re: Nice small ,La Tene AE Celtic fibula,
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2014, 09:45:01 am »
I do not know but I hope it is La Tenne II. type. ???

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Re: Nice small ,La Tene AE Celtic fibula,
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2014, 09:58:07 am »
Wow.
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Re: Nice small ,La Tene AE Celtic fibula,
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2014, 06:26:38 am »
 ;) Thank you Joe  +++

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Re: Nice small ,La Tene AE Celtic fibula,
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2014, 08:57:34 am »
Yes, LTII or LTIII era.  I think it is variant from the eastern Alps region but am not 100% sure.

The very small fibulae could be for children but they were also used like buttons down the front of women's dresses.  There would be a large fibula on each shoulder and then 3 to 6 small to fasten the front closed.

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Re: Nice small ,La Tene AE Celtic fibula,
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2014, 07:49:17 pm »
That's interesting Shawn.  I've never heard that about using them up the front as buttons.  Do you have any sculptural or artistic examples?  I'd love to see that.

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Re: Nice small ,La Tene AE Celtic fibula,
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2014, 02:09:59 am »
Thank you Shawn .. +++


Jay I agree with Shawn, they used sometimes 4-6 or 8 different brooch different size ..
Depends on which part of the Clothings..

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Re: Nice small ,La Tene AE Celtic fibula,
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2014, 07:37:19 am »
I'm not disputing it, :) I've just never seen it in sculpture or art.  Tunics are just a single piece of cloth folded over and sewn up the sides with a hole for the head.  Women's clothing is very similar with large openings at the top and sometimes sides but always gathered and held in place with a belt and fibulae at the shoulders.  Sometimes multiple knots are tied across the shoulders  but I've never seen fibulae used up the front of a garment since they are basically tubes.  There would be no need for them up the front.  I will look through my references.

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Re: Nice small ,La Tene AE Celtic fibula,
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2014, 10:49:33 am »
Never seen it on sculptural art. 

There are in fact relatively few representations of fibulae on sculptural art.  They are a fine detail which was either:
- not added in the first place,
- worn down quickest,
- or was painted on and is now gone.

The evidence for the use of small fibulae as front fasteners comes from grave excavations.  Skeletons found with pairs of large fibula on the shoulder scapulae and sets of smaller ones in a vertical line among the ribs.  The examples I can re-call are from 1st century BC era graves in the Eastern Alps - north Italy, SE Austria and Slovenia.  But I think there are other examples too.

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Re: Nice small ,La Tene AE Celtic fibula,
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2014, 11:31:50 am »
Interesting.  That would make it more Celtic/Barbarian than Roman.  I'll  try to find some of the papers on this.  I'm not familiar with non-Roman/Greek clothing at the time that would require the front to be closed with fibulae

Thanks Shawn! 

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Re: Nice small ,La Tene AE Celtic fibula,
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2014, 12:44:48 pm »
Hi my friends !

 Nice discussion  :)  +++

 My opinion too, mostly the barbarian world used to like this..., this way..

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Re: Nice small ,La Tene AE Celtic fibula,
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2014, 05:28:17 am »
Yes, La Tene fibulae are Celtic.

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Re: Nice small ,La Tene AE Celtic fibula,
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2014, 07:00:23 am »
Thank you Shawn ... ;) :) +++

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Re: Nice small ,La Tene AE Celtic fibula,
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2014, 06:52:29 pm »
Ave Quadrans!

A truly unexpected pleasure to see your amazing collection of brooches and fibulae...and I though I was alone all this time. :-) Thank you for presenting them for us to see and drool over! Your photography is excellent, BTW. I should have such a talent.

Back to the subject of multiple fibs/brooches for kids clothing, that certainly makes sense to me, as well.

Here's an example of a very simple 'safety pin', La Tene III type brooch 1st Cent. BC/AD.

56 mm

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Re: Nice small ,La Tene AE Celtic fibula,
« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2014, 11:01:11 am »
Hi Kevin !

 Thank you your words.. :)

very nice La Tene III brooch.. congratulation.. +++

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Re: Nice small ,La Tene AE Celtic fibula,
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2014, 01:16:05 pm »
As always , elegant  and valuable addition.
They are really pretty . Congratulations.
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Re: Nice small ,La Tene AE Celtic fibula,
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2014, 03:02:59 pm »
It is very kind of you Sam,  :);)

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