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Offline mihali84

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SAXBYS-COINS' Benjamin Stocks up to his old tricks!
« on: September 13, 2013, 08:20:33 pm »
Another group of modern cast fakes for sale by the infamous "saxbys-coins" on eBay.

As you can see from the photo they are all modern cast fakes showing the telltale signs such as casting pearls, odd fabric, uneven wear patterns, modern styling, and abnormally flat fields.

There is no question about it, "saxbys-coins" is highly fraudulent and needs to be stopped.  

The first coin pictured which was listed as "500 B.C. Archaic Ancient Greece Mysia Region- Kyzicos Electrum Stater Coin.VF" sold for just over $1,500 this afternoon!  It's obvious from the pictures that it's not only a modern cast fake but also most definitely not made of Electrum.  

I will be adding these to the fake coin reports soon.

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Re: SAXBYS-COINS' Benjamin Stocks up to his old tricks!
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2013, 08:44:38 pm »
I'd been looking for confirmation that the second and third coins were modern forgeries.  Thanks for posting!

The example I have of coin 2 appears to be a lead alloy. I think these are struck or pressed fakes, however, not cast.

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Re: SAXBYS-COINS' Benjamin Stocks up to his old tricks!
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2013, 11:23:52 pm »
While I'm sure they're all fake, they're also appear very much to have been struck. I think if you see signs of casting, it's probably caused by something else.

Also, electrum can be a very pale metal, and can look much like silver in a photo, especially if the white balance is off.

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Re: SAXBYS-COINS' Benjamin Stocks up to his old tricks!
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2013, 03:15:45 am »
These things seem to be repros (in some sort of silvery metal) of various types, possibly originally meant to be sold as tourist souvenirs.
Below is the original of the first type - note that (amongst other things) the lion is supposed to be holding a sword.

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Re: SAXBYS-COINS' Benjamin Stocks up to his old tricks!
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2013, 12:05:56 pm »
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Re: SAXBYS-COINS' Benjamin Stocks up to his old tricks!
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2013, 04:26:47 am »
Report the seller to e bay. Stating that the coins are modern cast fake and not ancient. E bay take these reports very seriously.

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Re: SAXBYS-COINS' Benjamin Stocks up to his old tricks!
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2013, 01:57:36 pm »
Report the seller to e bay. Stating that the coins are modern cast fake and not ancient. E bay take these reports very seriously.
Sure they do...

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Re: SAXBYS-COINS' Benjamin Stocks up to his old tricks!
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2013, 08:10:39 pm »
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Re: SAXBYS-COINS' Benjamin Stocks up to his old tricks!
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2013, 11:14:55 pm »
Unfortunately eBay protects their "power-sellers", even if they are fraudulent, as long as they are making their monthly quota eBay doesn't care if they are selling dirt advertised as gold dust. 

A buyer left negative feedback on the $1500 fake and apparently they never paid for the item.  One day later the negative feedback was removed from eBay.  From what i remember the feedback said the coin was a modern fake and the seller was highly fraudulent, in other words it didn't break any of eBay rules of feedback that would warrant the removal.

 But, as i stated earlier, if you are a power-seller on eBay they will gladly remove any negative feedback on your request, which is why he doesn't have many other negative feedbacks on his record.  It's all very confusing and infuriating. 

In other words in eBays world if you are a good crook that sells a lot of fake items they are ok with that, but if you are a petty crook selling a couple fakes they will kick you off before you can collect your first fraudulent payment. 

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Re: SAXBYS-COINS' Benjamin Stocks up to his old tricks!
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2013, 01:44:49 pm »
Not all of Saxby's coins are fake.  Just to let you know.  I know the seller who sold him AE3 LRB's and whilst they look very clean, they are in fact ok as they come from a very large collection. check out his city issues and Constantinus AE3's.

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Re: SAXBYS-COINS' Benjamin Stocks up to his old tricks!
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2013, 02:06:16 pm »
why don't we all report him together... then ebay surely will listen?

It seems like if you got alot of feedback on ebay you have a dollar printing press to sell complete junk.

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Re: SAXBYS-COINS' Benjamin Stocks up to his old tricks!
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2013, 07:49:35 pm »
Quote from: Caesarea on October 03, 2013, 01:44:49 pm
Not all of Saxby's coins are fake.  Just to let you know.  I know the seller who sold him AE3 LRB's and whilst they look very clean, they are in fact ok as they come from a very large collection. check out his city issues and Constantinus AE3's.


This fact has been addressed before and everyone here knows not all of his coins are fakes, but they might as well be.

I wouldn't spend a dime on the most authentic coin he has because of the company it keeps.  Not to mention the fact that anybody who would want to give that slime-ball a dime of their money is only helping his fraudulent business and activities. 

Besides, we are not here to discuss his authentic items, nor push for ANY collector to "check out" his authentic coins if they are interested.  He is on the fake sellers list for a reason.  Benjamin Stocks and his business are an embarrassment to the coin community, simply put. 


why don't we all report him together... then ebay surely will listen?

It seems like if you got alot of feedback on ebay you have a dollar printing press to sell complete junk.


Your closing line is not far from the truth, in fact it's 100% correct as i've recently learned of multiple negative feedback comments from angry buyers that were removed by eBay simply by his request, with no further investigation from eBay

Indeed if you have enough feedback and have made eBay an X amount of dollars you can pretty much sell whatever junk you want and remain untouched. 

Here is a quick link to eBay's fake coin report center for anyone who wants to report his fraudulent listings:

http://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ContactUs&userid=&pass=&wftype=2022&rcode=BN%25P10072&subject=Selling+Coins&bcrumb=Topics+%3E+eBay+Policies+%3E+Rules+for+Sellers+%3E+Listing+Policies+for+Sellers+%3E+Selling+Coins+

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Re: SAXBYS-COINS' Benjamin Stocks up to his old tricks!
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2013, 07:51:27 pm »
350868164576, 350869290868, 141032760933, 141058714592

here are the id numbers on those expensive coins, he has alot more but I am not good at identifying so I didn't try.  I think everyone should report these ID numbers and get people like this off of ebay.

with the link mihali gave:
http://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ContactUs&userid=&pass=&wftype=2022&rcode=BN%25P10072&subject=Selling+Coins&bcrumb=Topics+%3E+eBay+Policies+%3E+Rules+for+Sellers+%3E+Listing+Policies+for+Sellers+%3E+Selling+Coins+

It takes 2 minutes just copy paste some coins; look for some fakes on your own up to 10 then write a message and get this guy banned!

If everyone does it surely he will get banned.

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Re: SAXBYS-COINS' Benjamin Stocks up to his old tricks!
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2013, 08:14:43 pm »
Sure he will...

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Re: SAXBYS-COINS' Benjamin Stocks up to his old tricks!
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2013, 04:44:08 am »
Unfortunately eBay protects their "power-sellers", even if they are fraudulent, as long as they are making their monthly quota eBay doesn't care if they are selling dirt advertised as gold dust. 

A buyer left negative feedback on the $1500 fake and apparently they never paid for the item.  One day later the negative feedback was removed from eBay.  From what i remember the feedback said the coin was a modern fake and the seller was highly fraudulent, in other words it didn't break any of eBay rules of feedback that would warrant the removal.

 But, as i stated earlier, if you are a power-seller on eBay they will gladly remove any negative feedback on your request, which is why he doesn't have many other negative feedbacks on his record.  It's all very confusing and infuriating. 

In other words in eBays world if you are a good crook that sells a lot of fake items they are ok with that, but if you are a petty crook selling a couple fakes they will kick you off before you can collect your first fraudulent payment. 



I'm not defending the guy but this makes sense. You don't pay for an item, you don't receive the item, you don't get to leave feedback.
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« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2013, 06:19:26 am »
I'm not defending the guy but this makes sense. You don't pay for an item, you don't receive the item, you don't get to leave feedback.

The system works so that you have to be actually defrauded, and also to know you have been defrauded, before you can leave negatives. Everyone who knows the coins are fraudulent aren't paying for them. All those actually defrauded, are unaware. The occasional person who realises he will either persuade to withdraw the negative in exchange for a refund, or he drags the dispute beyond 60 days. No wonder he has 100% ratings. This applies throughout eBay. I used to buy half my coins on ebay. Now it's just a mass of fakes, fraudulent sellers, and scalpers who sell for four times retail. Still I cannot believe that so many beginners still chase ebay. It's like you are buying lottery tickets for the lottery that closed yesterday.

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Re: SAXBYS-COINS' Benjamin Stocks up to his old tricks!
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2013, 12:34:19 pm »
Unfortunately eBay protects their "power-sellers", even if they are fraudulent, as long as they are making their monthly quota eBay doesn't care if they are selling dirt advertised as gold dust. 

A buyer left negative feedback on the $1500 fake and apparently they never paid for the item.  One day later the negative feedback was removed from eBay.  From what i remember the feedback said the coin was a modern fake and the seller was highly fraudulent, in other words it didn't break any of eBay rules of feedback that would warrant the removal.

 But, as i stated earlier, if you are a power-seller on eBay they will gladly remove any negative feedback on your request, which is why he doesn't have many other negative feedbacks on his record.  It's all very confusing and infuriating. 

In other words in eBays world if you are a good crook that sells a lot of fake items they are ok with that, but if you are a petty crook selling a couple fakes they will kick you off before you can collect your first fraudulent payment. 



I'm not defending the guy but this makes sense. You don't pay for an item, you don't receive the item, you don't get to leave feedback.


I agree, but there has also been negative feedback from paying customers that gets thrown out as soon as Benjamin complains to eBay about it.  There have been some recent changes in the way eBay handles negative feedback from angry buyers, and as long as Mr. Stocks sends a complaint about it with some convoluted story i am sure to eBay, they don't think twice before removing it.  All to protect the reputation of a fraudulent power-seller that is sure to continue to make them money.
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Re: SAXBYS-COINS' Benjamin Stocks up to his old tricks!
« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2013, 04:22:28 pm »
We really don't need to discuss sellers on the Notorious Fake Sellers List. That should be enough said.
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« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2013, 05:58:21 pm »
I called about this coin to their specialist department and they said I was the first person to call about saxby's.  They said there were a few item reports against him though.  Supposedly they are going to send this report to their coin specialist to see if he warrants a ban.

Apparently he is the no.1 seller in ancient coins the rep told me. xD

 

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