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« on: January 26, 2013, 08:55:16 am »

Today I'm surfing the net looking for informations concerning modern fakes of ancient coins.
I've found these shocking reports on the site of Department of Culture of Sicily, year 2004.

http://www.regione.sicilia.it/beniculturali/dirbenicult/carabinieri/museoritrovato/properties_view_col.asp?editid1=119

http://www.regione.sicilia.it/beniculturali/dirbenicult/carabinieri/museoritrovato/properties_view_col.asp?editid1=116


Translating:

Confiscation at Paternò (CT)  19/11/2004, private home:
659 fake dies,
55 raw fake dies,
30 reproductions of bronze sculptures,
403 tests (impressions of fake dies on lead).
17 reproductions of silver coins,
98 reproductions of bronze coins,
3500 plaster, wax and silicone casts.



Confiscation at Centuripe (EN)  26/10/2004, private home:
250 plaster casts
171 fake dies,
1696 Ancient coins (Greek, Roman and medieval),
256 coins deemed to be false,
195 archaeological bronze, silver and iron including brooches, rings, arrowheads, fragments of statues and nails,
12 fragments of ceramic vessels in black paint and clay figurines
1 block of oxidation, suitable for the production of fake patinas for the counterfeit coins.

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« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2013, 10:36:02 am »

Wish there was more detail in the photographs.  Those folks have been busy!  See how many dies they made?!
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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2013, 11:00:43 am »

I've found better pics..
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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2013, 12:34:15 pm »

Wow...thanks for sharing...
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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2013, 03:14:42 pm »

I must confess that I might have preferred to remain in the dark about this. However, although it is very worrying, I think it is useful to know all these things.
Now I'll explain some quirks that I've seen at auction.
Like the two coins i post here, both from Sicily: Alaisa and Lipara. (the one from Alaisa was object of a past discussion on this forvm, but I can't find it, probably has been removed).

Looking at the reports of the Department of Culture, I think we can deduce the way in which the counterfeiters work:
First, they chose the coin to forge, they make casts, and create the fake die from a raw die.
Then they heat a genuine ancient coin, a specimen in very poor condition. (1696 Ancient coins in the report). So we can explain the orange peel look of the coins. On the heated ancient blank they mint the fake type using the modern die.
So the metal looks ancient, but the coin is a modern fake.
At the end they use the oxidation block to produce the fake patina, which is tipically green.

And at the end the unaware collector can go to hell, with his empty wallet, getting excited holding in his hands a beautiful fake Sad
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« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2013, 03:36:38 pm »

Fake coin reports (for any for which we have photos) please.
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« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2013, 04:58:11 pm »

Fake coin reports (for any for which we have photos) please.

Done, but I had a problem with dies.
When I had to select the album in the Report Category I could not find "Modern Fake Dies" in the drop-down menu.
I posted them in the coin categories.
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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2013, 03:47:32 pm »

This makes me feel sad.

At least all the fake dies should be published properly!

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