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Author Topic: Domitian - As SALVTI AVGVSTI with COS XII - unlisted in new R.I.C.  (Read 1372 times)

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Offline FlaviusDomitianus

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Hello everyone.

The SALVTI AVGVSTI reverse, depicting a large altar, is a well-known subject issued by Domitian following the war with Chatti.
It is believed that the type was meant to celebrate his safe return to Rome.

The new edition of R.I.C. 2 lists only issues of year 84 (COS X) and year 85 (COS XI alone, COS XI CENS POT and finally COS XI CENS PER).

The first edition of R.I.C. 2, edited by Mattingly and Sydenham, however, listed as # 338 also one issue of year 86 (COS XII) with an express reference to # 420 in the catalog of Henry Cohen (collection Cheddeau and De Sarcus).
Incidentally Cohen read CENS POT (definitely out of time) in obverse legend.

Today I had the proof that this coin exists, having been lucky enough to find a specimen in reasonable condition and clearly legible.

Not sure only of the final "I" on AVGVSTI on reverse; it could be simply AVGVST as in some of the first issues of the type.

Kind regards

Alberto

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Re: Domitian - As SALVTI AVGVSTI with COS XII - unlisted in new R.I.C.
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2012, 09:08:12 am »
Have you emailed Carradice and Buttrey about this coin?

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Re: Domitian - As SALVTI AVGVSTI with COS XII - unlisted in new R.I.C.
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2012, 09:16:08 am »
Have you emailed Carradice and Buttrey about this coin?

I'll certainly do it!

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Re: Domitian - As SALVTI AVGVSTI with COS XII - unlisted in new R.I.C.
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2012, 09:18:58 am »
Yes, please do!

BTW, awesome coin.

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Re: Domitian - As SALVTI AVGVSTI with COS XII - unlisted in new R.I.C.
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2012, 06:09:03 pm »
Very interesting coin
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Re: Domitian - As SALVTI AVGVSTI with COS XII - unlisted in new R.I.C.
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2012, 07:02:30 pm »
Cohen first described the Chedeau and de Sarcus coin in the supplement volume 7 of his first edition, 1868, Domitian 74; the source is a publication by those two authors describing coins found in the bed of the Mayenne River in 1864, Mémoire sur les découvertes archéologiques faites en 1864 dans le lit de la Mayenne, cited on p. XIX of Cohen's volume.

It would be good to check this work by C. and de S. to confirm Cohen's description of the coin; maybe they also say what happened to the coins, for example whether they were acquired by a local museum so could perhaps still be checked there today.

In his supplement volume Cohen merely gives the date of this As as COS XII CENS POT P P, without pointing out the anomalous POT not PER, and he prices the coin as "C"; but in the second edition of his volume 1, 1880, Domitian 420, he adds a (sic), COS XII CENS POT (sic) P P, and he deletes the "C", leaving the coin unpriced. Apparently he had doubts about the correctness of that reading, as though it might have been misread from COS XI CENS POT, or maybe the coin was an ancient imitation with botched legend.

In the light of Alberto's new coin, perhaps the Mayenne coin too really read COS XII CENS PER P P, and POT was just a slip of the pen. To find out, we should recheck Chedeau and de Sarcus' publication, and ideally also the coin itself, if it was acquired by a local museum!
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Re: Domitian - As SALVTI AVGVSTI with COS XII - unlisted in new R.I.C.
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2012, 04:22:21 am »
"Le Musée du Chateau de Mayenne" should host the coins found in 1865 and partially described from Chedeau and de Sarcus.

Only a few are showed to the public.

Here is a short note from the museum's site:

"Plus de 26 000 pièces ont été trouvées lors de fouilles archéologiques menées en 1864-1865, en majorité du 1er siècle après J.-C. : c’est le trésor du gué Saint Léonard. Nous vous présentons les pièces les plus emblématiques et les mieux conservées..."

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Re: Domitian - As SALVTI AVGVSTI with COS XII - unlisted in new R.I.C.
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2012, 04:32:02 am »
I guess it would be too much to ask for all of them to be available for viewing.

Perhaps an email to the curator with a question concerning the correct reading of the coin in question would suffice?


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Re: Domitian - As SALVTI AVGVSTI with COS XII - unlisted in new R.I.C.
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2012, 04:54:14 am »
I've reported the coin to professor Carradice.

Maybe he knows P.A. Besombes, who edited "Le dépôt monétaire de 22438 monnaies du gué de Saint-Léonard (commune de Mayenne)" (Bibliothèque nationale de France, 2005).

 

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