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cjpenning

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Crusader coin? Moneta ****twen ?
« on: December 01, 2012, 01:31:15 am »
Any help with this one?  I have done quite a bit of searching on the web but can't find anything that comes close.


Offline Chrismon

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Re: Crusader coin? Moneta ****twen ?
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2012, 04:52:52 am »
Could this be a French or Italian issue?

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Re: Crusader coin? Moneta ****twen ?
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2012, 05:01:41 am »
I can make out what looks like MONETA METAWEN (or MEATWEN), but I don't know what this could mean  ???

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Re: Crusader coin? Moneta ****twen ?
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2012, 05:21:10 am »
It could also be MELTWEN, MELAWEN or MERTWEN, but I haven't a clue as to what coin it is, I've searched these legends online and no results so far.

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Re: Crusader coin? Moneta ****twen ?
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2012, 02:34:40 pm »
It was found in England, but is assumed to be a continental coin.  Size and weight of a typical English hammered penny.

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Re: Crusader coin? Moneta ****twen ?
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2012, 02:46:31 pm »
It was found in England, but is assumed to be a continental coin.  Size and weight of a typical English hammered penny.

Yes, it looks continental. I've also tried searching for a type similar to this one but have found nothing so far.  ???

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Re: Crusader coin? Moneta ****twen ?
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2012, 02:49:31 pm »
However, I doubt that it is a Crusader coin

cjpenning

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Re: Crusader coin? Moneta ****twen ?
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2012, 02:52:16 pm »
However, I doubt that it is a Crusader coin

Yeah, it looks later than the Crusades?

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Re: Crusader coin? Moneta ****twen ?
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2012, 03:12:30 pm »
However, I doubt that it is a Crusader coin

Yeah, it looks later than the Crusades?

It may be from around the time of the Crusades, but it does not look like it was issued by any of the Crusader States.

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Re: Crusader coin? Moneta ****twen ?
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2012, 08:41:13 pm »
That's a Danish witten or sterling struck at the Neastvig mint by Erik of Pomerania.  Apparently the two denominations have exactly the same types and differ only in size and weight (according to Bendixen).  The larger wittens are much rarer, he says, and the smaller sterlings are also known as three-pennings or engelskes.

http://www.mcsearch.info/record.html?id=315323

Jim

cjpenning

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Re: Crusader coin? Moneta ****twen ?
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2012, 09:10:41 pm »
Thanks, Jim!  This has been puzzling a few of us on another forum for quite a while.

Thanks also to Trapezunt for the effort.

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Re: Crusader coin? Moneta ****twen ?
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2012, 04:49:59 pm »
Hello,
It is a sterling (3 penning) of Naestved Mint under Eric of Pommerania ca. 1403-1412/1413.  Obv legend- (star)ERICVS:REX:D:S:R.  Rev legend- (star)MONETA NESTWED.  Obverse features a crown, reverse features a cross.  Note- The witten/hvid of 4 penning has a flower versus a star.  Your coin reference is Galster #4.

Regards,

David

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Re: Crusader coin? Moneta ****twen ?
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2012, 09:05:14 pm »
Thanks for that information, David.  I don't have a copy of Galster.

Here's another point that might be interesting...  The king's title, REX D S N, alleges that Eric was the king of Denmark, Sweden, and Norway (the three countries were united at that time).  But that wasn't entirely true.  Margaret I, who adopted him as her son, ruled those three countries from 1376 until her death in 1412.  Eric was crowned king in 1397, but mainly to get around the problem that Denmark did not allow female sovereigns.  (Margaret had had acted as "regent" prior to that time.)  But despite his title, she actually ran things right up to her death in 1412.  Just an oddity of history.

I've always had a hard time dealing with medieval Scandinavian coins (and I gather I'm not alone on that!).  Can anyone recommend good single-volume references for dealing with the medieval issues of Denmark, Sweden, or Norway?  (David?)

Attached is a picture of my copy of this coin.

Jim

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Re: Crusader coin? Moneta ****twen ?
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2012, 03:07:34 pm »
Hi all,

I have not found any paper references that covers medieval from beginning to end for any of the Scandinavian countries.  I have relied on a few websites for identification purposes. 

Denmark- www.danskmoent.dk (in Danish)
Norway- www.myntsamleren.no (in Norwegian)
Sweden- www.scribd.com/doc/56385882/David-Rucker-Coins-of-Sweden (in English)

If anyone knows of any more references, I would be interested.

David


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Re: Crusader coin? Moneta ****twen ?
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2012, 08:33:33 pm »
David:  Those web sites cover the material extremely well.  Thanks for pointing them out.

Jim

 

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