Help. Coins found in the Crimea, near the Kafa.

[Alexandr Y]

 Please help me understand.
Such coins are sometimes here in the Crimea, near the Genoese colony of Kaffa. Some suggest that it is - the colony unpublished coins Kafa. But I think a number of features that the Genoese colony of Caffa, these coins have no relationship.

Unfortunately, I'm not well versed in the coins of medieval Europe. Look, maybe someone will recognize in these coins any known coins?
Thank you in advance for your reply!

[rick2]

i m no expert in this series
however i can tell you that the left image resemble the Snake that was the symbol of Milan

in a few occasions the milanese had control over genova in medieval times , so there might be a connection there

i would also suggest you post the coin on www.lamoneta.it  an italian forum where you have a couple of genoese specialist like dizzeta or matteo95 they might be able to help you out.

tell them rick2 the taliban sent you

[dpaul7]

Hello!

I have a friend in the Ukraine who says he can help you!

You may e-mail him at:   ajax_xxx@ukr.net

He is very knowledgeable on coins of this area!

Dpaul7

[Chrismon]

Could these coins be issues from Caffa? Around the snake I can make out what looks like "CAFA"

[rick2]

i think they are colonial aspri,
 issue from the genoese domination

http://numismatica-italiana.lamoneta.it/riepilogo/W-GECOL3

scroll down to type LVII and LVIII

type LVII is M and st george and the dragon

type LVIII is a milanese snake and st george and the dragon


i ll msg my friends and get them to take a look

[rick2]

as far as i know genova was under the visconti (milano) domination in 1352-1356 and then again around 1435
that should help to date the coins

[Alexandr Y]

Dear colleagues! Everyone - thank you very much for your answers and opinions and hypotheses. I have, for many years engaged in the study of minting coins Gireys-Crimea, Golden Horde coins Kaffa. I submitted this photo coins differ from those issues, which are usually minted in Kaffa. In particular, these coins flag is present, it is very similar to the coat of arms of the Duke of Milan. It is not usual for Kaffa rider - usually copper coins Kaffa depicts St. George - as in tune with the Bank of Saint George. On the same coin, we see another interpretation vsadika. I believe that before you make a final decision on the membership of these coins the Genoese colony of Kaffa, we must eliminate all other options - is it possible that this coin was minted somewhere in Europe?

[Alexandr Y]

Sorry for the mistake in the previous post - I do not know much on the English language!

Dear colleagues! Everyone - thank you very much for your answers and opinions and hypotheses. I have, for many years engaged in the study of minting coins Gireys-Crimea, Golden Horde coins Kaffa. I submitted this photo coins differ from those issues, which are usually minted Kaffe.V particular, on these coins present flag, coat of arms is very similar to the Duke of Milan. It is not usual for Kaffa rider - usually copper coins Kaffa depicts St. George - as in tune with the Bank of Saint George. On the same coin, we see a different interpretation of the rider. I believe that before you make a final decision on the membership of these coins the Genoese colony of Kaffa, we must eliminate all other options - is it possible that this coin was minted somewhere in Europe?

[rick2]

the duke of milan ruled over genova for 2 brief periods

that helps to date the coins

[Alexandr Y]

Dear rick2, thank you for your answers.!!!

But, I think that first we have to make sure that this is a coin imnno Kaffa.
I repeat here my statement from www.lamoneta.it forum:

Taking apart that this coin is aspr of Kaffa, we should say that this is really unique phenomenon in Kaffa’s silver stamp. I.e. one only coin that does not have attributes of Golden Horde’s rulers (or Crimean Khanate). But exactly this political dualism is the main component of Kaffa’s coins. I.e. we can’t surely read the legend of this coin, the coin alloy differ from aspr’s alloys, moreover the weight of this coin does not match to the weight of aspr… This coin does not have Portals symbol (Tower). So due to what arguments we can now talk about the attribution of these coins to the Kaffa?!

[rick2]

these coins do not have the "porta urbica" or castle (symbols of genova) because they were struck during a period when Genova was under the domination of the duke of Milan , hence the snake symbol

1350-1356
1430-1436