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Re: Tribute Penny NumisWiki Page Updated and Expanded
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2012, 11:38:45 pm »
Did anyone read it? 
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Re: Tribute Penny NumisWiki Page Updated and Expanded
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2012, 12:15:29 am »
Hi Joe,
If I may, I would like to add the following to your list of articles (or at least draw your
attention to it, in case you were not already aware of it):

"The Tribute Penny Debate Revisited", by Walter Holt, MA and Rev. P. Dunstan.
The Celator, 20.10 (October 2006), pp. 22-28, illustrated.

(no doubt just another one of any number of modern articles addressing this matter)

All the best,

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Re: Tribute Penny NumisWiki Page Updated and Expanded
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2012, 12:50:49 am »
Hi Walter, I am sure I read it back in 2006 and I would probably enjoy reading it again but my Oct 2006 is deep in a box someplace.  I would be love to have it, or any other article you have written, added to NumisWiki.  Take care, Joe 
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Re: Tribute Penny NumisWiki Page Updated and Expanded
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2012, 02:51:40 pm »
Did anyone read it?  

Read it, liked it! Clear, concise, informative and understandable. Thank you for putting articles like this one out there.

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Re: Tribute Penny NumisWiki Page Updated and Expanded
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2012, 04:24:09 pm »
Thanks for the correction.  I will fix that.  Of course you could fix it too - it is a wiki.  BTW, almost all of the information in the article came from discussion board posts. NumisWiki  is a collaborative numismatic project.
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Re: Tribute Penny NumisWiki Page Updated and Expanded
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2012, 09:00:45 am »
Oh, thanks for the heads up, I did not know I could make changes to the article as well. Since it has been changed I will modify my previous post.

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Re: Tribute Penny NumisWiki Page Updated and Expanded
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2012, 11:12:57 am »
Actually, your post gave me a good opportunity to remind everyone that they can make corrections and additions to most NumisWiki pages. 
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Re: Tribute Penny NumisWiki Page Updated and Expanded
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2012, 10:53:24 am »
Here is another way to look at how the story of the widow's mite can help decide what the tribute penny was.  The important point of the widow's mite story is that even though the widow gave a small amount of money, she gave all she had.  The specific coin or coins was not important.  Since Mark was writing for a Roman audience, he could have simply written that the widow contributed a qudrans.  He did not have to write that she gave two lepta, which is about equal to a qudrans.  It would not have made any difference regarding faith or morals, but for some reason Mark wanted to get the details correct, and so he specified the exact coins the widow had, then explained what they were valued in Roman money.

In the story of the tribute penny, Mark could have written that Jesus was shown "a coin" or "a coin that is about the same value as a denarius".  Instead, he wrote that Jesus was shown a denarius.  I think it is probable that Mark wrote that it was a denarius because, just as in the story of the widow's mite, he wanted to get the details correct.  The correct detail is that the coin probably was a denarius.

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Re: Tribute Penny NumisWiki Page Updated and Expanded
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2012, 03:25:04 pm »
Or the point of 'two lepta' could be that she had the smallest Jewish coins, in a quantity equal to the smallest Imperial coin. A lepton doesn't translate into Imperial currency just like that, while a drachm does.
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Re: Tribute Penny NumisWiki Page Updated and Expanded
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2015, 03:43:35 am »
Hi Walter, I am sure I read it back in 2006 and I would probably enjoy reading it again but my Oct 2006 is deep in a box someplace.  I would be love to have it, or any other article you have written, added to NumisWiki.  Take care, Joe 

Hi Joe,
This and a subsequent article have been uploaded to my
Academia.edu page:
https://mq.academia.edu/WalterHolt

The Tribute Penny - The Denarius Debate Continues.
Australasian Coin & Banknote Magazine, 18.09 (October 2015),
pp. 62-67, illustrated.

The Tribute Penny Debate Revisited.
The Celator, 20.10 (October 2006), pp. 22-28, illustrated.

Both articles were co-authored with Rev. P. Dunstan.

(nb: one may have to register / log-in to download the article,
but one then gains access to a whole lot more)

Walter Holt

P.S. I am sure they can be downloaded, and then reloaded to
the Forum site, if you choose to do so.
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Re: Tribute Penny NumisWiki Page Updated and Expanded
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2015, 06:40:20 pm »
Thanks Walter.  I will get them uploaded to NumisWiki.
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Re: Tribute Penny NumisWiki Page Updated and Expanded
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2016, 05:50:13 pm »
I finally uploaded Walter's two articles to NumisWiki. The links are in the Best of NumisWiki menu on the left side of the NumisWiki page.  They are Tribute Penny Debate and Tribute Penny Revisited.  Sorry it took so long.
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Re: Tribute Penny NumisWiki Page Updated and Expanded
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2016, 10:14:34 pm »
I finally uploaded Walter's two articles to NumisWiki. The links are in the Best of NumisWiki menu on the left side of the NumisWiki page.  They are Tribute Penny Debate and Tribute Penny Revisited.  Sorry it took so long.

Thanks for the upload / link Joe. Much appreciated.

I would also like to add mention of my friend and co-author in these
articles, Rev. Peter Dunstan.

If I may I would like to offer a couple of suggestions:-
The order of articles at the moment may be misleading, so perhaps
these two articles could be titled something like "Tribute Penny Debate
Revisited (2006)" and "Tribute Penny Debate Continues (2015)", or
something similar to indicate their correct chronological order.

The dropdown menu at the top of these pages only links to the main
Tribute Penny page. I wonder whether it may be possible to include
some additional links to these articles on that page (and vice-versa),
connecting all three articles.

What do you think? All the best,

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Re: Tribute Penny NumisWiki Page Updated and Expanded
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2016, 06:57:19 am »
Good ideas.

I will rename and order the left side menu links, but the width of the menu may not allow them to be that long.  I will see what I can do.

I will also add links on the main Tribute Penny page (I actually meant to do that before but forgot).

I can't add links to the the two articles because they are PDFs.  I can't modify them. 
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