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Offline jgad

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ID help on Celtic Coin
« on: April 09, 2012, 10:28:31 pm »
Posted this on the Celtic Coin Board but not sure it is being monitored.  Forgive me if it is.

Not familiar with these types at all.

The obverse appears to be a female diety struck off center (you can see her flowing hair).
The reverse is a cross with crescents in all four quarters and unknown symbols in two of the quarters.

The coin in silver, 15.5mm in diameter and weighs 3.3 grams.

Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks in advance.





-Javier

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Re: ID help on Celtic Coin
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2012, 05:10:54 am »
Hello, Javier,

I am not quite a specialist for celtic silver coinage, but if I’m not quite wrong, it might a West-Celtic Quinar, more exactly a so-called „Süddeutsche Kreuzmünze“ (engl. southern german cross coin). By the way, an very interesting and historically seen not all too frequent coin.

The extremely fine-grained facial and hairstyle representation at the obverse, as well as the various symbols in the four fields between the cross beams at the reverse, points to a Kreuzquinar "type Dühren" (near by Heidelberg) from really rare and wonderful beauty. The beginning of the Kreuzquinar mintages could be around 90 BC.

But as I said above, I am not a specialist for Celtic numismatics. Some special collectors possibly could find a better answer !

The coin type of the West-Celtic Quinarii is to class in the time of the "Bellum Gallicum", the Gallic War of Julius Caesar. “Süddeutsche Kreuzmünzen” are not only  the heaviest, but also perhaps the oldest group (approx. in 90 B.C.) of those West-Celtic Quinarii, with an area of circulation in Baden-Württemberg. However they were also found (with reduced weight) in the celtic metropolis of “Manching” in Bavaria.

Obviously “Süddeutsche Kreuzmünzen“ are celtic imitations of drachms from Rhoda by the "Volcae Tectosages" (celtic tribe around Nîmes, South of France), whereas the meaning of the main reverse sign, doesn’t mean any longer a “rose”, but a cross with different symbols, filling the four fields around the cross - symbols with significances we are nowadays unable to get on with.

http://www.acsearch.info/ext_image.html?id=187398
http://www.acsearch.info/ext_image.html?id=63852
http://www.acsearch.info/ext_image.html?id=380645
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Re: ID help on Celtic Coin
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2012, 08:19:56 am »
Thanks for the invaluable info Justus.  When researching this coin I had a problem matching the obverse and the reverse.  The reverse I came up with several candidates but the obverse is/much more problematic.  All other examples were much more styalized (conceptual) in nature.  Where can I find more info on these coin types as the Volcae coins on winldwinds do not yield a match.

- Javier

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Re: ID help on Celtic Coin
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2012, 04:14:59 pm »
Hi Javier,

sorry, but as I said above, I am not a "great" specialist of celtic coinage. I've some literature, to take a look, but nothing else. You should take a look for a special typus of west-celtic Quinarii, named „Süddeutsche Kreuzmünze“. There's an austrian forum, called Numismatik-Cafe, where, as I know are some celtic-coinage-spezialists, which perhaps can help you to get more informations about these interesting coins. Perhaps I could ask them in your name for help, ok ?

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Re: ID help on Celtic Coin
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2012, 04:40:29 pm »
Hello,

Drachme de style Languedocienà la croix (Languedoc occidental, Gaule)

Type DCR-226 du Dicomon ; Depeyrot 2002, type 226 ; LT 2957.

http://vso.numishop.eu/fiche-v23_0732-vso_mo-1-LONGOSTALETES_Region_de_Narbonne_Drachme_au_style_languedocien_IIe_siecle_av_J_C.html

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Re: ID help on Celtic Coin
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2012, 05:07:27 pm »
Justus / Gabalor:

The reverse is exactly like the one Gabalor posted...its harder to tell about the obverse because mine is so badly miscentered.  What I can see is that on my coin, the design is much less abstract.  Could you post this on the Numismatik-Cafe forum on my behalf.  I would appreciate any comments.


Gabalor - thank you for your response, it certainly looks like a good fit but the obverse still is a bit problematic styalistically speaking....the reverse is definately the same!  I will expand my search to include these "languedocian examples.  Thanks again.

- Javier

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Re: ID help on Celtic Coin
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2012, 03:14:38 am »
Hello,

The coin of cgb is a bad example. Here is the drawing which illustrates the type 226 on Depeyrot, 2002.

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Re: ID help on Celtic Coin
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2012, 07:55:46 am »
Gab...

Then there really is no doubt.  Perfect fit!  Thank you.

- Javier

 

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