Author Topic: Marcus Aurelius Sestertius OTD (Read 3141 times)

gb29400 · « **on:** May 17, 2012, 10:52:36 am »

Marcus Aurelius OTD

Marcus Aurelius Caesar
Sestertius, Rome 140 - 144 AD
19.63 g / 30 mm

AVRELIVS CAE - SAR AVG F II P COS
His head right
R/ IVVEN - TAS
Iuventas standing, holding patera and sacrificing at altar

C.390 RIC.1232a

Mark Z · « **Reply #1 on:** May 17, 2012, 12:00:19 pm »

gb,

Love the portrait! Beautiful!

That is an interesting depiction of an altar, isn't it?

Great pick up!

mz

*Alex · « **Reply #2 on:** May 17, 2012, 12:30:36 pm »

Quote from: Mark Z on May 17, 2012, 12:00:19 pm

That is an interesting depiction of an altar, isn't it?

Looks very similar to the bird-bath in my garden.

Alex.

gordian_guy · « **Reply #3 on:** May 17, 2012, 01:07:14 pm »

Very nice Sestertius. Nice details. Congratulations!

c.rhodes

ancientdave · « **Reply #4 on:** May 17, 2012, 02:05:48 pm »

A fantastic early portrait of Marcus Aurelius, Bravo!

Potator II · « **Reply #5 on:** May 17, 2012, 04:20:54 pm »

Magnifique Guy, felicitations.

JC

kc · « **Reply #6 on:** May 17, 2012, 05:58:00 pm »

hi gb,

I do not trust this coin, sorry. I think it was tooled!

Mark Z · « **Reply #7 on:** May 17, 2012, 05:59:09 pm »

Quote from: kc on May 17, 2012, 05:58:00 pm

hi gb,

I do not trust this coin, sorry. I think it was tooled!

Andreas,

Are you referring to the obverse, reverse or both?

mz

kc · « **Reply #8 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:01:12 pm »

hi mark,

the obverse as well as the reverse.

regards
kc

Minos · « **Reply #9 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:39:11 pm »

Quote from: kc on May 17, 2012, 06:01:12 pm

hi mark,

the obverse as well as the reverse.

regards
kc

I wouldn't say so, here's another with the same dies

gavignano · « **Reply #10 on:** May 17, 2012, 08:21:34 pm »

I don't think it was tooled. the fields look rather smooth though, but, it could be the photograph.

kc · « **Reply #11 on:** May 18, 2012, 01:44:46 am »

hi minos,

I just checked the fake gallery and I have bad news:

Both example are fakes!

if there are two coins of a common emperor like marc aurel were strucked with the same obverse and reverse die,
you have to be warily because such a case is rather impossible.

also the style of Iuventas is very bad! (the veil is depicted crude and an altar like this I have never seen before).

Minos · « **Reply #12 on:** May 18, 2012, 05:54:07 am »

Bad news indeed, did not care to look at the fake gallery after seeing the one I've posted (wich was sold by an important US auction house). I was right, at least, in saying that it wasn't tooled

kc · « **Reply #13 on:** May 18, 2012, 07:13:30 am »

Quote from: Minos on May 18, 2012, 05:54:07 am

Bad news indeed, did not care to look at the fake gallery after seeing the one I've posted (wich was sold by an important US auction house). I was right, at least, in saying that it wasn't tooled

OK, you were right.

Minos · « **Reply #14 on:** May 18, 2012, 07:48:46 am »

kc, what do you think about this one, sold by the same auction house. It's identical in some aspects (reverse die, obverse legend), but it's different in others (Aurelius hairs (?), flan shape, centering). The first 3, including the one I posted wich is the same as the one from the fake gallery, seem to be casted (unless one of them is the host). But the latest

Mark Z · « **Reply #15 on:** May 18, 2012, 08:52:14 am »

So we're looking at 3 and possibly 4 fake cast coins in this thread?

mz

Minos · « **Reply #16 on:** May 18, 2012, 08:56:45 am »

Quote from: Mark Z on May 18, 2012, 08:52:14 am

So we're looking at 3 and possibly 4 fake cast coins in this thread?

mz

Maybe, unless someone can prove that these dies are official (reverse one mainly), in wich case there would be at least 2 fakes, possibly 3.

kc · « **Reply #17 on:** May 18, 2012, 08:59:59 am »

the last coin, minos showed, looks good to me and it could be the mother coin. the three coins before are all fakes.

regards
kc

Minos · « **Reply #18 on:** May 18, 2012, 01:11:58 pm »

And yet another, from wildwinds...

Shouldn't this thread be moved in the Authentification, fakes,... section ?

slokind · « **Reply #19 on:** May 18, 2012, 11:57:42 pm »

I may as well add my own, which after cleaning a bit, I decided was ancient. There is, I think, some ill-judged sharp-tool cleaning of the profile. But it has that squarish shape that is characteristic of ill-made Antonine sestertii, which I can't imagine anyone's faking (as Caley said, they seem to have sliced off the blanks from a squarish roll of copper alloy, which Caley wouldn't dignify as orichalcum), and it has a less girlish look to its portrait.
Not that, in any case, it's my favorite sestertius, but Youth Personified did attract me.
I had taken out the sestertii to re-photograph them, RAW. When I first moved to DSL I did pretty badly. But the image is not untruthful, such as it is.
Pat L.
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