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Titus BONVS EVENTVS added!
« on: January 19, 2012, 01:22:10 am »
In the span of a few months I've managed to add another DICT PERPETVO Caesar!  Got it from a fellow Forum member!  Thanks Syltorian!  It was a bargain.  Although it smells like Nutella for some strange reason  ::)

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-75533

Here's the First Caesar DICT PERPETVO I got:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-73572

Not sure which one is worth more....


Have fun!  ;D

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Re: 2nd Caesar DICT PERPETVO added!
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2012, 03:42:20 pm »
In the span of a few months I've managed to add another DICT PERPETVO Caesar!  Got it from a fellow Forum member!  Thanks Syltorian!  It was a bargain.  Although it smells like Nutella for some strange reason  ::)

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-75533

Here's the First Caesar DICT PERPETVO I got:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-73572

Not sure which one is worth more....


Have fun!  ;D

You even got the one with the rare dotted "i" in the obverse inscription! Dang it, some guys have all the luck! ;) :)

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Re: New Republicans added
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2012, 05:43:12 pm »
On a more serious note I added two new republican coins today:

L PAPI with column control marks:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-75950

C. FONTEIUS with Janiform heads of Dioscuri with a decent gallery reverse:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-75952

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Re: New Republicans added
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2012, 07:17:19 pm »
Looks like the Papius will be added to the data base:

http://www.bonannocoins.com/l_papius/l_papius_db.php

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Re: Antony, Augustus, Antoninus added!
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2012, 05:51:49 pm »

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Re: Titus, Antony, Augustus, Antoninus added!
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2012, 07:04:23 pm »
Got a pic of the 4th coin.  It's so dark and has encrustations which makes it hard to photograph well.  I'll try later for a better pic.

Titus denarius with Elephant reverse:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-77274

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Re: Titus, Antony, Augustus, Antoninus added!
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2012, 07:18:54 pm »
Some pretty cool additions Jay

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Re: Titus, Antony, Augustus, Antoninus added!
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2012, 07:32:33 pm »
Thanks Randy, I can't wait to get a macro lens for my camera.  Pitted or heavily toned and encrusted coins always give me a hard time.  I'll end up taking all new pictures for most of these.  They are much nicer in hand!

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Re: Titus, Antony, Augustus, Antoninus added!
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2012, 08:32:27 pm »
I agree, the new coins are all quite nice. Congrats!

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Re: Titus, Antony, Augustus, Antoninus added!
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2012, 09:39:27 pm »
All great additions Jay, love the titus!
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Re: Antony named legions complete!
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2012, 01:41:18 pm »
Not the prettiest example of XVII CLASSICAE but by far the hardest for me to acquire.  Not sure why since the other named cohorts are much rarer but I now own one of all the named legions of Antony.  That is except the coveted LEG PRI (the first).

CLASSICAE now added:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-79296

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Re: Antony named legions complete!
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2012, 02:58:38 pm »
Not the prettiest example of XVII CLASSICAE but by far the hardest for me to acquire.  Not sure why since the other named cohorts are much rarer but I now own one of all the named legions of Antony.  That is except the coveted LEG PRI (the first).

CLASSICAE now added:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-79296

Pretty cool J, Congrats!  ;D

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Re: Antony named legions complete!
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2012, 03:58:43 pm »
that's a nice landmark Jay, always nice to see a goal achieved.... congratulations! 

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Re: Antony named legions complete!
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2012, 04:04:53 pm »
Awesome J, congrats.

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Re: Antony named legions complete!
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2012, 09:45:55 pm »
Thanks guys, it's not beautiful or great by any means but I have been looking for this one for years.  I've lost several in auctions, been late pressing the "Buy" button and just not been able to afford one.  It completes the tough named legionary coins so now I can focus on the regular legion series and if a better one comes up then I can always replace it.

BTW since I've upgraded on my Antony Sol denarius I can now sell the broken and repaired one.

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Re: Titus denarius Added!
« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2012, 05:37:37 pm »
After another long drought a really nice addition.  Titus denarius with curule chair:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-81089

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Re: Titus denarius Added!
« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2012, 05:41:11 pm »
In a drought  my self still  :-\ Very cool addition!

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Re: Titus denarius Added!
« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2012, 09:27:35 pm »
Thanks, it was mislabeled as Vespasian.  I think all of my Titus coins have been wrongly attributed as Vespasian.

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Re: Antonius Cistophorus added!
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2012, 04:48:13 pm »
Added a Cistophorus today.  Listed as a run of the mill anonymous cistophorus I noted that the monogram was one that is thought to be either of Mark Antony or more likely his brother Lucius.  Very pleased to have acquired this one:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-81826

I'll have to research this one a bit more.

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Re: Antonius Cistophorus added!
« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2012, 05:04:19 pm »
Added a Cistophorus today.  Listed as a run of the mill anonymous cistophorus I noted that the monogram was one that is thought to be either of Mark Antony or more likely his brother Lucius.  Very pleased to have acquired this one:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-81826

I'll have to research this one a bit more.

These seem to be from a recent large volume hoard (at least there are very many of them floating about, all with that fresh-struck look). Yes they are interesting. I think there's a divergence in views so I'll be interested in whatever you dig up. Q is obviously a Roman letter and most obviously means Quaestor, and the monogram could well be made out as Marc Anton. But castles built on sand foundations have been constructed on such guesses. Personally I have no idea, but I think experts on cistophori should be consulted before experts in deciphering perhaps-letters from monograms. Let us know what you find anyways.

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Re: Antonius Cistophorus added!
« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2012, 05:06:57 pm »
Thanks Andrew, I don't have any of the references for these so it's down to searching the internet and hoping someone with more knowledge on these chimes in.

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Re: Antonius Cistophorus added!
« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2012, 05:13:04 pm »
Thanks Andrew, I don't have any of the references for these so it's down to searching the internet and hoping someone with more knowledge on these chimes in.

I don't think anyone has any 100% certain knowledge on this specific subject. We are all guessing. There's an obvious disconnect between your 133-56BC description and the fact that the type looks very Roman and seems to suggest a Quaestor was involved and that some Roman name including the letters M, A, R, T, A, P, N or variations thereof seem to embedded in the monogram, in Greek or Roman letters (why use Greek letters on a coin with a Roman Q), but the Antony's are clearly much later than 56 BC.

Let us know what people tell you.

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Re: Antonius Cistophorus added!
« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2012, 05:38:21 pm »
Gerd R. Stumpf, Numismatische Studien zur Chronologie der römischen Statthalter in Kleinasien (122 v. Chr.-163 n. Chr.), 1991, pp. 13-17:

Snake on staff must indicate Pergamum as mint, similar coins with snake emerging from basket must have been struck in Ephesus.

Previously unanimously attributed to L. Antonius, who was quaestor under the governor of Asia Mincius Thermus in 51/50 BC, and functioned himself as governor between Thermus' departure and the arrival of the next governor.

But there is no L in the monogram, so it can't be L. Antonius. The monogram can however be read as including the letters MA ANTONIV, according to Stumpf.

According to Stumpf the only possibility is M. Antonius, Consul 99 BC, who served as quaestor in Asia in 113/112 BC, and at some point during his term of office there also had the powers of a praetor, according to an inscription from Delos.

This sounds plausible, but I haven't studied Republican cistophori and don't know whether Stumpf's suggestion has ben generally accepted or rejected by other scholars.
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Re: Antonius Cistophorus added!
« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2012, 05:48:51 pm »
Thanks Curtis.  If this is the case then we are speaking of Antony's grandfather Marcus Antonius the orator who was consul in 99 BC. 

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Re: Antonius Cistophorus added!
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2012, 01:21:36 am »
Hi Curtis,

The difference between the two issues lies in the symbol to the right.

Pergamon shows, as you correctly indicate, is the serpent entwined staff,
but Ephesus shows the lit torch (an example of which may be seen at the
following link: http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=552337, via
Heritage, New York January 2012, lot 23073).

Reference for the Ephesus pieces is Stumpf 2. Kleiner indicates that the
torch is a standard feature on the dated cistophori with the ΕΦΕ ethnic.

Even though the above piece has no ethnic, the torch alone can be seen
as an indicator of mint, just as the staff indicates toward Pergamon.

I also understand that an article about these is in preparation, apparently
based on recent hoard material, and hope it will be made available soon.
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