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Re: Roman Diploma
« Reply #50 on: August 10, 2012, 08:31:10 pm »
Jay,

The front seems to be the section of the text near the end that grants citizenship to the soldiers and their wives and children, and if they are are unmarried to their future wives, but only one wife per soldier.

Line 3: ASV, prob. from NOMINA SVBSCRIPTA, "whose names are written below".

Line 4: maybe EMD, coming from CIVITATEM DEDIT, "he grants citizenship".

Line 5: ABVI, from HABVISSENT, "(to the wives that they presently) have".

Line 6: ELIBE, from CAELIBES, "unmarried".

Line 7: MTA from DVMTAXAT, "just or merely (one wife per soldier)"

Lines 8-11: Should be the month date and the current consuls, which if they could be restored would establish the date of the diploma!

Have you submitted your fragment to the website that collects diploma fragments, and could probably confirm and expand my above suggestions, and maybe determine the date?



Curtis thank you so much!  I wasn't expecting much!  What is the website to submit fragments?

Am I right to assume this would be a diploma for an auxiliary since a legionary would already be a citizen?


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Re: Roman Diploma
« Reply #51 on: August 10, 2012, 08:42:06 pm »
From that website:

Roman Military Diploma On-line is a project to make collectors aware of the importance of publishing these documents.
Mail us if you need support in identifying details of a military diploma you may have in your collection. We are publishing military diplomata in major scientific journals  and appreciate very much new material from private collections for this purpose. You can be named as donor, or you can remain anonymous, whichever you prefer. Contact us at romancoins.info @yahoo.com  (please leave out the blank between our name and the @, this is to discourage spam robots)

All we need are clear fotos of both sides (either high resolution scan or real foto), weight (in g), height and width, thickness, height of letters (in mm).

Even small fragments can help to bring Archeology forward ! We have a large database of all known fragments. Almost 1000 diplomas are known to us so far,  and we can match yours to known pieces, thus getting important information even out of minor pieces.

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Re: Roman Diploma
« Reply #52 on: August 10, 2012, 08:48:51 pm »
Excellent!  I'll send photos off right now!

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Re: Roman Diploma
« Reply #53 on: August 11, 2012, 04:02:38 am »
Benito I'm familiar with that one!  Unfortunately (or fortunately) most diplomas which can be understood are in museums and those that aren't command a huge price.  Without a name or Emperor or Legion/cohort reference these fragments can be pretty cheap. Thanks for posting.

Hi Jay.Yes its a well known specimen and  I also know about the prices of my future Holy grail. But just in case your acquisition, which looks perfectly good  +++,
inspires others to buy fragments of diplomas may I indicate that in a near past ,now you rarely see them after the fleabay clean up of its antiquities section,quite a few fakes were sold . You can also find them in weekly markets.
Two bulgarian  examples from dealers included in Forum's NFSL.
Really bad one in silver ( AR was not used for diplomas) ,and with many errors.  Somewhat better in bronze.

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Re: Roman Diploma
« Reply #54 on: August 11, 2012, 04:36:17 am »
No Mark. As written its my Holy grail. Always in search for it. Got close on rare occasions. But with the two tabulae,and complete seal compartment and seals
its more difficult than the Grail. BTW its in Valencia ,Spain ( the Grail).


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Re: Titus, Antony, Juba & Cleopatra, Sabinus, Pius added
« Reply #56 on: October 05, 2012, 12:16:03 am »
Fixed the links above

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Re: Caesar lifetime & Titus added
« Reply #58 on: October 10, 2012, 04:44:00 pm »
Everyone missed the Titus...

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Re: Caesar lifetime & Titus added
« Reply #59 on: October 10, 2012, 04:56:36 pm »
Now that you mention it. BOT worthy.

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Re: Caesar lifetime & Titus added
« Reply #60 on: October 10, 2012, 05:06:02 pm »
Thanks! You think so?  I'll put it up if you have a challenger... ;D

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Re: Caesar lifetime & Titus added
« Reply #61 on: October 10, 2012, 05:30:57 pm »
Thanks! You think so?  I'll put it up if you have a challenger... ;D

Jay, Your Titus RIC 19 should read IMP XIIII on the reverse. Very unusual how the die engraver cut this legend!

And, I have a challenger for you.  ;)

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Re: Caesar lifetime & Titus added
« Reply #62 on: October 10, 2012, 05:34:34 pm »
Thanks for the correction David.  Ok, in he goes!

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Re: New pics of old coins
« Reply #67 on: October 14, 2012, 04:07:17 pm »
Nice "shots"  Jay GT4 :D +++
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Re: Calabria Didrachm added! Nice coin!
« Reply #68 on: October 15, 2012, 05:47:59 pm »
Thanks!

Here's a beauty I got in the mail today:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-88457

Shame about Taras' head! Still a fantastic coin with an amazing dolphin!

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Re: Calabria Didrachm added! Nice coin!
« Reply #69 on: October 15, 2012, 06:01:26 pm »
Thanks!

Here's a beauty I got in the mail today:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-88457

Shame about Taras' head! Still a fantastic coin with an amazing dolphin!

  yep great dolphin no denying that something a bit special about them just cant imagine them being about so long ago they must have spotted them as they travelled the seas or seen them depicted in ancient writings
 its pretty amazing one to be proud of

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Re: Calabria Didrachm added! Nice coin!
« Reply #70 on: October 15, 2012, 11:07:34 pm »
Thanks. Dolphins are pretty common on coins from Calabria.   Still wish he didn't lose his head....

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Re: Calabria Didrachm added! Nice coin!
« Reply #71 on: October 16, 2012, 03:13:28 am »
Jay, apparently you didn't get the memo which states that ALL Tarentine didrachms are to be kept for me!

a nice addition there buddy, but i think Vlasto 874 is a more likely attribution (873 doesn't have the magistrates name beneath the dolphin). hard to be sure because the text in Vlasto doesn't seem to match the plate, but with the NK monogram this seems like the best match. i think you'll also notice ΦΙΛΟΚΡΑ behind the horse rider.
personally i think the dolphin rider in this case is actually Phalanthos, judging by the more mature physique, but that's just my opinion.

but nice coin regardless, congratulations!

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Re: Calabria Didrachm added! Nice coin!
« Reply #72 on: October 16, 2012, 05:33:56 pm »
Thanks Peter I appreciate it!

I will look a bit more closely behind the rider.  I simply copied what the seller had in their listing.  Any online resource with photos for Vlasto?

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Re: Calabria Didrachm added! Nice coin!
« Reply #73 on: October 17, 2012, 05:12:36 pm »
none that i am aware of, and the book is very hard to find. but searching by the Vlasto numbers can help sometimes.

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Re: Calabria Didrachm added! Nice coin!
« Reply #74 on: October 19, 2012, 05:39:38 pm »
New pic of one of my first coins!

Germanicus:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-88715

It's a beauty...not really  ;D

and another old coin/new pic

Vespasian:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-88724

I know they aren't pretty but they have sentimental value to me.  Plus they were listed under my old user name...

 

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