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Offline Des P

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is this a Henry vii, Edward 1, Richard 11 penny
« on: July 10, 2011, 01:25:16 pm »
I just cannot tell difference between these I strongly stuck between henry vii and edward 1.


Any help pls

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Re: is this a Henry vii, Edward 1, Richard 11 penny
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2011, 12:57:33 pm »
Have i put this in wrong section or something

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Re: is this a Henry vii, Edward 1, Richard 11 penny
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2011, 06:34:20 pm »
Difficult. I'm going to stick my neck out and suggest Edward IV. I'm not at all sure though.
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Re: is this a Henry vii, Edward 1, Richard 11 penny
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2011, 01:09:39 pm »
It's a hard one, now even harder, it very well could be Edward iv. I was reading that during Edward iv reign mint or initial marks were starting to appear. With this I took another look at coin and notice a small mark on the right of the obverse, a small O next to the CROWN. Could this be a mint or initial mark, if so it would certainly point to the coin being a Edward iv penny.


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Re: is this a Henry vii, Edward 1, Richard 11 penny
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2011, 07:54:34 pm »
According to Spink's COINS of ENGLAND, Edward IV did use a circle mintmark during his second reign.

Any chance of a larger/higher resolution image to help with attribution?

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Re: is this a Henry vii, Edward 1, Richard 11 penny
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2011, 05:18:27 pm »
Yes of course,

I am appreciative of your help.

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Re: is this a Henry vii, Edward 1, Richard 11 penny
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2011, 03:48:46 am »
From the style of portrait and crown it looks like Henry V, VI or Edward IV.  Definitely not Edward I-III or Richard II as coins of these reigns are quite different in style (and usually larger and better struck), and coins of Richard III are really scarce. And I think I can see "hEn" at about 1-2 o'clock on the obverse (certainly doesn't look like "EDW" or "RIC") - so I'd say it's Henry V or VI.
To narrow things down any further I'd have to look through my reference books. Pennies of these reigns often have small marks like circles, crosses and keys in the field next to the portrait, which can sometimes be enough to precisely attribute a coin even if no legend is visible! This one has an annulet (circle) to the right and, more faintly, a trefoil (Y-like shape) to the left. It'd help to know what mint the coin is from, but I can't make out any letters clearly on the rev. Probably not York as this mint almost always had a quatrefoil in the centre of the rev. cross.

(edit) One other thing - could you give the size/diameter of the coin? I think it could be a halfpenny, not a penny. After a quick look through Seaby/Spink "Coins of England" I can't find any Henry pennies with trefoil/annulet on the obverse, but there's a halfpenny of Henry V which appears to be a match.

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Re: is this a Henry vii, Edward 1, Richard 11 penny
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2011, 05:06:37 pm »

(edit) One other thing - could you give the size/diameter of the coin? I think it could be a halfpenny, not a penny. After a quick look through Seaby/Spink "Coins of England" I can't find any Henry pennies with trefoil/annulet on the obverse, but there's a halfpenny of Henry V which appears to be a match.
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The diameter is 16-18mm average all round I am unsure of weight, unfortunately, thickness is 1mm.

Thanks for help and time, hope this will produce further info

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Re: is this a Henry vii, Edward 1, Richard 11 penny
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2011, 02:14:28 pm »
Definitely a penny at 16-18mm, halfpennies of this date are 12-14mm at most. My best guess is a penny of Henry IV's later coinage (1412-13), London mint, with pellet and annulet by crown (no.1733 in the Spink/Seaby catalogue)  though the "pellet" looks a lot more like a trefoil (basically three oval dots in a Y shape) to me!
Two other things that suggest it's a Henry IV coin are the size (a later penny that's as heavily clipped as this one would more likely be 14-15mm) and the style of the crown, which matches that on photos of Henry IV pennies fairly closely.

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Re: is this a Henry vii, Edward 1, Richard 11 penny
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2011, 01:43:56 pm »
It is a penny, or the remains of a penny of Henry V. Mullet to left of crown and Annulet or Broken Annulet to right. London mint and is class C or D depending on the Annulet being broken or not.

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Re: is this a Henry vii, Edward 1, Richard 11 penny
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2011, 11:41:01 am »
It is a penny, or the remains of a penny of Henry V. Mullet to left of crown and Annulet or Broken Annulet to right. London mint and is class C or D depending on the Annulet being broken or not.
Looks like you're right! I didn't think of the left-hand mark being a mullet (star) as it looked like a trefoil or possibly pellet to me, the patch of encrustation/dirt on this corner of the obv. makes it hard to see clearly

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Re: is this a Henry vii, Edward 1, Richard 11 penny
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2011, 07:45:50 pm »
Quote from: Des P on July 10, 2011, 01:25:16 pm
is this a Henry vii, Edward 1, Richard 11 penny

Definitely not Richard the Eleventh. ;D
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