Help ID this Dark Ages Denar/Denier?

[BIRDSOFPREY]

I have purchased this coin from an English coin dealer.  He thought it was from Genoa by Conrad III.  I don't think it is, I'm leaning towards German, Carolingian, Anglo-Saxon, or Bohemian.  Any help would be appreciated.

[casata137ec]

You will probably get more play in this forum...also, could you include the size and weight and maybe the pic of the opposing side?

Chris

[BIRDSOFPREY]

Sorry, The diameter is 20mm and weight around 1.5 grams.  Here is the reverse (?).

[elgitano]

Hi

As I can see in the anverse, the legend says IA NV A (GENOA), and in the reverse the legend is something like CVHNA.., very similar to the real legend in denars and grossos for Genoa:  CVNRADI REX.

I think it is an imitative Conrad I-III grosso

I let you an image for a true Conrad coin

[rick2]

its  an interesting coin

i ve never seen imitative/forgeries coins for this type.

at the time Genoa had a few colonies in the middle east , like famagosta and caffa.
i d try that lead as well.

having said that i would probably lean towards the hypothesis that its some sort of contemporary forgery.
Genoa was quite wealthy back then and its currency circulated widely

[alexius]

It certainly doesn't look like a product of Caffa. To my view it is a bit of an odd attempt at an "imitiative" of Genoa if it doesn't even try to carry the gate symbol.

[rick2]

what i m saying is that it s almost certainly a contemporary imitation of a genoa denier.

however as genoa had quite a large area of influence , especially in the black sea this could be an imitative originating out of the colonial area.

similar to the serbian or bulgarian imitation of the venitian grossi.
i should have expressed it better.

[alexius]

Sorry I should have been clearer-to my knowledge coins of Caffa and the other colonies in the Black Sea area don't look like this. They usually have the gate of Genoa on one side and a Jujid or Giray tamgha on the other. That said, I don't know what this coin is trying to imitate (if indeed it is an imitation).