What about this milesian hemihekte ?

[Caffaro]

IONIA. Miletus. El 1/12 Stater, ca. 600-550 B.C.
Obv: Lions head right; Rev: Incuse punch containing Stellate pattern. Ref: Rosen 275.

This type was part of a hoard found in western Asia Minor in the 1990s and which would have contained at least 29 electrum coins of Miletus. Several coins have been proposed in the international market. Someone has doubted about authenticity. The treasure is published in Coins Hoards (CH. VIII, 2, p. 1, pl. 1, n° 5-33).

Reading on excellent rjohara website:
"A single hoard containing representatives of all of the denominations in the series, including at least eleven twelfths and fourteen twenty-fourths, was discovered about 1990 and has been recorded and partly illustrated as hoard #2 in Coin Hoards VIII (Wartenberg et al., 1994: 1, pl. 1)."
http://rjohara.net/coins/miletus-electrum/

And also in CH VIII there is written that someone doubt about this coins... but they don't tell WHY...

So... opinions ? Facts ? Ideas ?

Thanks

[Joe Sermarini]

How would a the punch in the reverse create the flat area around the rim?  Answer, it wouldn't.  It is fake.  Fake coin report please. 

[Caffaro]

Well viewed...

What about this one too ?

See at 1h-2h

[Bartosz A]

The second coin (especially the obverse) looks much better to me, although its reverse seems to be somehow odd. Compare these specimens:
http://www.acsearch.info/search.html?search=Miletos+hemihekte&view_mode=1&en=1&de=1&fr=1&it=1&sort=&c=&a=&l=#2

Regards,
Bartosz

[commodus]

Please, just one coin per thread.

[Caffaro]

I'm waiting for the first coin, it was in a recent auction.

I'll take more photos in order to see if really there is the flatten area or it's a bad impression from a bad pic (but I haven't much hope).

But apart my coin, I've asked more about the opinion that this serie is doubtful (see notes on CH VII)

[Reid Goldsborough]

I agree with Joe and for the same reason. Sounds like an interesting project to sleuth this, once you get it in hand. By the way, if I haven't said this before, I love your profile pic. We must be related.

[Caffaro]

Thanks Reid, I've read your page on lion's coins and I read you on the yahoo group EarlyElectrumCoinage.
We had some email exchanges about the translation of Le Rider book "La Naissance de la monnaie".

[Reid Goldsborough]

Right! Your email name is "Daniel" so I didn't make the connection. You mentioned you're Italian, not French. I was confused here too because your email has a yahoo.fr domain extension for Yahoo's French email service. No problem of course if you don't want to do this translation project. But let me know either way so maybe I can find someone who speaks French as a first or second language to do this in the same way we translated Weidauer.

[Caffaro]

Yes Daniel is my real name and yahoo.fr is my first ("historically") email account

The problem is not if I want or not, the problem is the time to do it (and my poor english too).

[Caffaro]

Just received the coin and... how a photo can be dangeurous...

You can see my pics and no flat area. So the coin seems to me to be athentic without doubt. If anyone has doubt please argues...

First of all I ask to remove the coin from the fakes list. The auction house had only the fault to post a not very good photo.

My pics.

[commodus]

I agree. Quite a difference from the seller's photo.

[Joe Sermarini]

Wow.  I have seen photos that look different from the coin but never like this. 

[commodus]

Fake report expunged.
Goes to show one can't always judge from one photo alone.

[Caffaro]

It depends on the photo... for a seller take good photos is a must. With an HD photo may be to judge is easier.