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Offline Mark Z

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Hadrian Sestertius that looks familiar
« on: November 16, 2010, 10:40:47 pm »
Hello All!

I can't remember where, but I've seen this one before. I didn't find it in the Fake Reports, though.

The seller mentioned in the description that it's smoothed, but is it also tooled?

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Re: Hadrian Sestertius that looks familiar
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2010, 01:41:53 pm »
Heavily tooled; look at the beard and hair.
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Re: Hadrian Sestertius that looks familiar
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2010, 02:42:52 pm »
It is so badly tooled I'm not even certain there's an original hadrian under there!

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Re: Hadrian Sestertius that looks familiar
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2010, 03:08:12 pm »
Fake Report added.

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Re: Hadrian Sestertius that looks familiar
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2010, 03:57:11 pm »
It is so badly tooled I'm not even certain there's an original hadrian under there!

Im not even sure it was made from a coin! It looks like it was cut by a prison inmate from a bar of soap! ;D

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Re: Hadrian Sestertius that looks familiar
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2010, 04:23:33 pm »
Lol! Well, that would make fakes easier to detect.. "does it pass the shower test?" 

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Re: Hadrian Sestertius that looks familiar
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2010, 06:03:35 pm »
It looks like the tooler or is it toolee switched type half way through.

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Re: Hadrian Sestertius that looks familiar
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2010, 06:38:25 pm »
I just noticed that it might be the same engraver who likes to put clogs on his reverse figures.

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Re: Hadrian Sestertius that looks familiar
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2010, 08:02:15 am »
drapery on Hadrian is just funny!

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Re: Hadrian Sestertius that looks familiar
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2010, 01:52:10 am »
for those of us not as familiar with Hadrian, could you please elaborate on the last comment?
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Re: Hadrian Sestertius that looks familiar
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2010, 10:04:58 am »
I do not think that one can say Hadrian was opposed to drapery, quite the opposite he was a renowned graecophile, and is often pictured as such with the appropriate drapery.

I think the poster is actually trying to affirm that the drapery on this coin in itself is badly tooled and unrealistic.

An example of Hadrian with "real" drapery:


Although on alot of his emissions he is represented as follows:



Unclothed on the shoulders, perhaps the poster was mistaken and thought that Hadrian was only depicted in such a way. This is unlikely I'd venture and is simply because the engraver has chosen one of these "unclothed" Hadrians and tried to apply non existent drapery to his victim.


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Re: Hadrian Sestertius that looks familiar
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2010, 02:10:12 pm »
The outline of the shoulders on the tooled coin looks much more like that of a bare bust than anything I'd expect from a draped one.
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Re: Hadrian Sestertius that looks familiar
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2010, 01:39:15 am »
Now here is a really fascinating study:

The second coin below appears to be similar to the one I posted above (I've also posted it again below). This one is currently listed on eBay at the time of this post and is currently going for $147 at auction.

However, this time it is laureate (as opposed to bare head) with a different legend on the reverse while retaining the reverse image (actually, the same legend but rotated 180 degrees).

After comparing the two coins it seems that I can actually see where the laurel wreath and ribbons have been removed from the first coin. Am I correct?

What's going on here?

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Re: Hadrian Sestertius that looks familiar
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2010, 04:22:28 pm »
You've made a good start.  Also, notice that where wear tended to remove details the tooler or forger didn't know what to do.  Pat L.

 

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