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Svetoslav B

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Please help
« on: June 22, 2010, 07:38:18 am »
Can some one give me some info about this coin and aprrox. value

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Re: Please help
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2010, 09:27:01 am »
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Re: Please help
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2010, 10:08:38 am »
thank you for helping

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Re: Please help
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2010, 09:00:07 am »
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  I would call it a rough coin struck from rather inelegant die, but I don’t see why it should be judged “..a barbarous imitation.”
  Perhaps I’m missing something?
 
  The engravings look official enough to me.
  If it is indeed a ‘barbarous imitation,’ isn’t it a remarkably fine one (for the type and era)?
    .. By which I mean, isn’t it then fairly impressive?
 
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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2010, 09:48:19 am »

Both the portrait and the lettering are at odds with most Cyzicus folles, at least for Licinius; barbarous needn't always mean worse, just distinctly anomalous.
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Re: Please help
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2010, 09:55:52 am »
Thanks for your answer . But i still wondering is this coin is real or fake ? And what is the value of it.
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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2010, 10:18:43 am »
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   ..Hmmm …  Thanks, Archivum.
 
  I don’t deny its atypical elements of crudity … But it could be an Official coin, struck from Official die, engraved by a novice or otherwise inexpert, or indifferent engraver. (?)
 
  ‘Barbarous imitation’ may not necessarily mean ‘worse,’ as you say, but it implies explicit denial of it’s being officially struck and legal tender: - doesn’t it?
 
  My questioning here is sincere, as I’m wondering whether there’s something more telling about this than I see and know.  Ancient ‘forgeries’ and imitations, etc., I’ve never ‘studied’ and most I’ve seen are among those shown and discussed here at FORVM over the years.
 

   Svetoslav,
 
  I could very well be mistaken about it, but to me, I see enough to think your coin probably an Official issue – with, as noted by Archivum, some clear anomalies.

  The value..?
  Every ancient coin has four possible values.
  1 – It’s priceless (true of all of them).
  2 – What You paid for it.
  3 – What You think it’s worth to-You
  4 – What someone else is willing to give you for it.
 
    .. A kind of 4b: Market Value?
  *shrug* - Maybe $8.oo - $15.oo – give or take a mood, a need, an impulse, etc …
 
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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2010, 04:08:20 pm »
The concept of 'legal tender' didn't really exist then; unofficial coins were struck because the government was failing to provide sufficient small coin, and private enterprise stepped in. There's no evidence that officialdom cared one way or the other.

I'm not convinced that this one is anything but an official coin; can someone post some other Cyzicus folles from the same issue, for comparison?
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Re: Please help
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2010, 04:59:01 pm »
Hi!
for me too,it's an official coin. Barbarous imitations are much worse than this one, more stylized.
But if we could compare... :)

 

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