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« Reply #25 on: May 20, 2011, 09:45:15 am »

A couple of coins to add.

1. Augusta Traiana Lucius Verus Tullius Maximus City-gate

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-67389

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Some additional acquisition notes:

     Schönert-Geiss cites Sallet Beschriebung der antiken Munzen (1888) p.239 #5 for her #79, a catalogue of the National collection at Berlin. Unfortunately this coin is not depicted in Sallet’s work, but I’ll take her word that it is a die match! Schönert-Geiss records 79 (her R 62) and 80 (R 63) as having different reverse dies but they look the same to me.

      Varbanov is sloppy citing Schönert-Geiss, recording 79 for two difference obverse dies (919 & 920).
Varbanov cites Schönert-Geiss and Lanz auction Auction 102 (28.05.2001) lot 640 attached below for comparison. Realized 210 DEM ($94). My example is a double match for the Lanz specimen, which is also depicted in Varbanov, p. 83.

My coin was sold as Marcus Aurelius. Seller, from Germany, said the coin was taken from a collection from 1958 Auflösung der Sammlung(1958). No tags.

Acsearch link:

http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=30765

Lanz’s description:
Bronze. AY K AIL AYPH - LIOC OYHPOC. Kopf mit Lorbeerkranz rechts. Rs: HGE TOYL MAXIMOY AYGOYCTHC / TPAIANHC. Befestigtes Stadttor mit drei zinnenbewehrten Rundtürmen und geschlossenen Torflügeln. Schönert-Geiss, S. 65, 80 (V 32/R 63). Price/Trell, S. 247, 79. 17,77 g.
Selten. Dunkle, braungrüne Patina, sehr schön.



2. Augusta Traiana Septimius Severus Statlius Barbarus Nike and biga

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-67133

posted in cotd a week or so ago.  ex: Lanz


Again I would like to ask if someone with access to the auction  (Gerhard Hirsch Nachfolder Auction 231; 26 November 2003 München lot 758) could check if my coin is the  same coin offered in that auction; I would be very appreciative.

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« Reply #26 on: May 27, 2011, 07:13:33 am »

     Here is a new one I selected for the interesting arrangement of the reverse legend, with its many breaks, placement in fields and retrograde letters.  Several Barbarus reverse dies from Philippopolis exhibit these characteristics.

Philippopolis Septimius Severus  T. Statilius Barbarus (196-8 AD) Hera

 http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-67636



     This week I also received a copy of Jurokova's monograph on Hadrianopolis.  I had been trying to obtain a copy for about three years, so it was a good feeling to finally have one arrive from Bulgaria.  Definitely not the easiest book to find. It has 66 plates which is nice and a long 114 page prolegomena but I need to work on my very limited knowledge of Bulgarian!  The catalogue is 127 pages with 713 distinct types recorded. There is a 9 page resume in French at the end. I updated my attributions for my 2 coins from this city.


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« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2011, 06:26:18 pm »

   Arrived from England today:

Philippopolis Commodus Caecilius Servilianus Athena

       http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-68583

A double die match is depicted in Varbanov (E) III on page 115. He cites the private collection of O. Gavrailov.

My scans are true to color, but obverse does not appear as worn in hand as this scan.

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« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2011, 01:24:55 pm »

Gorgeous coins, congrats!
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« Reply #29 on: August 01, 2011, 07:48:46 pm »

A battered, but rare addition:

Augusta Traiana Caracalla Sicinnius Clarus Dionysos

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-70018



I have another exciting Augusta Traiana coming from Germany that should arrive either this week or next. I'll post it when I have it in hand.

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« Reply #30 on: August 05, 2011, 10:15:58 am »

Sooner than expected here is my exciting new addition:

Augusta Traiana Commodus Aemilius Iustus City-gate

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-70073

Although coinage for Commodus fairly rare at Augusta Traiana, here is another example of the ubiquitous city reverse.
N.B. Rx legend blunder AΓOV instead of AVΓOV…


    Even though the rx legend is very difficult to read, I am fairly certain that this coin was issued during the tenure of Aemilius Iustus.  There is another specimen that appears to share this obverse die with Aemilius Iustus clearly as the governor. A contributing criterion to this theory is the jumbled placement of the letters of the rx inscription. This characteristic is also present in the CNG example.
    
Cf. attached CNG Electronic Auction 83 (18.02.2004) lot 93. Their description:
THRACE, Augusta Traiana (Trajanopolis). Commodus. 177-192 AD. Æ 29mm (15.31 gm). L. Aem(ilius) Justus, hegemon. Laureate and draped bust right / River-god reclining left on upturned urn, holding reed;  AIM IOVCTOV (magistrate). AMNG II -; cf. SNG Copenhagen 810 (Lucius Verus); BMC Thrace -; Mionnet -. VF, green patina, encrustation.


     Stein dates the tenure of this magistrate as before 180 AD by the praenomen initial Λ(ucius) for Commodus, but these two examples both have M(arcus), which would indicate a date subsequent to 180 AD.  Perhaps L. Aemilius Iustus was governor during the transitional period of Marcus Aurelius’ death and the ascension of Commodus to sole rule. The only examples Stein knew of were issued from Hadrianopolis. In Paul M. M. Leunissen’s more recent work, Konsuln und Konsulare in der Zeit von Commodus bis Severus Alexander (180-235 n. Chr.) (J.C. Gieben Amsterdam 1989) no new prosopographic information has been found.

     Curtis Clay outlines the evidence presented in Römische Reichsbeamte der Provinz Thracia (1920)
p.32-33, which is highly relevant to dating my coin, (read Stein not Strack) along with some additional coins that have come to light recently. Like Claudius Bellicus, Aemilius Iustus is only known to modern scholars from the coinage of Hadrianopolis.

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=38043.0

     Stein tentatively places Aemilius Iustus between Claudius Bellicus and Titus Suellius Marcianus, but the obverse die evidence in Jurukova for Hadrianopolis seems to indicate that Aemilius Iustus was subsequent to Marcianus and just prior to Iulius Castus. There is no obverse die sharing between Aemilius Iustus and any other governor at Hadrianopolis, but employing the subjective technique of portrait style comparison, Commodus looks less mature in the Marcianus dies than on the Aemilius Iustus dies and more mature on the Iulius Castus dies than the Aemilius Iustus dies.  The initial M of the praenomen on the two examples from Augusta Traiana support the other, more complete, evidence from Hadrianopolis.

I included the seller's image as it reveals some additional detail of the coin not captured in my scan.  As usual my scan closer to actual color and it is possible to read much more of the legend in hand than can be seen in the images.  

1. My scan
2. Seller's image
3. CNG river-god

I am very pleased to add this first specimen, issued by this governor, to my collection!

Comments always welcome!

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« Reply #31 on: September 21, 2011, 06:34:20 pm »

    I have been patiently waiting for this one to arrive from Germany.

Philippopolis Antoninus Pius L. Pullaienus Gargilius Antiquus Tyche enthroned

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-71815

     Looks like a boring type, but incredibly I could not find another example with the rudder attribute in any reference.  These seated city-goddess dies were very prevalent under Gargilius at Philippopolis.  The level of artistry is superb in my opinion.There appears to be a die break on the rho in the governor's name.

A nice, big, heavy coin in hand, with a hard shiny patina.

   I wasn't able to hang with the high rollers in the recent CNG auction (which had several excellent signed imperial thracian coins), but this coin was a nice consolation prize!

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« Reply #32 on: October 31, 2011, 07:20:14 pm »

Arrived from England today:

Philippopolis Septimius Severus Statilius Barbarus (196-8 AD) Imperator Eques

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-73012

     This coin is a definite double die match for Varbanov (E) III 1193. I think the legend listed by Varbanov, however, is incorrect. It seems likely to me that the coin he lists as 1193 is really Mushmov's 282 in  Les Monnaies Antiques de Philippopolis (1924). Varbanov's 1195 with the decrepancy being the epsilon in the ethnic   ΦIΛIΠΠO Π OΛEITΩN
Mushmov's specimen was missing most of the ethnic, so the epsilon he recorded was speculative.

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« Reply #33 on: November 01, 2011, 12:44:21 pm »

I am intrigued by your collection but know nothing about this area.

Could you please say a little about the who, what, where, when and why of these coins.

Were all coins of a specific period signed or only some.

Also how rare are these coins compared with "unsigned" issues
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« Reply #34 on: November 08, 2011, 10:51:44 pm »

I recently acquired two examples of the same dies from Pautalia.

Pautalia Septimius Severus Caecina Largus (198-9 AD) River-god

specimen #1

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-73197

specimen #2

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-73198

Both coins, by different vendors, sold as Nikopolis ad Istrum.

Cf. this very nice example from a german auction a few years ago. Rauch mail bid 11 (12.09.06) lot 410

http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=168440


    These coins are all Ruzicka 293. The exemplum depicted in Ruzicka, from Sarajavo, had an incomplete legend and was holed at 3 o’clock on the rx.  He thought the issuing governor was Sicinnius Clarus, but the Rauch specimen clearly demonstrates that it was the preceding governor, Caecina Largus.

    Pitbull thanks for your interest.  It is a tall order to answer all those questions you raise. Very briefly; "signed" are less common than "unsigned" (an awkward expression I know).  It seems to denote the largest denominations (maybe 4 or 5 assaria coins, vierer und fünfer as dubbed by German scholars) issued by Thracian cities during the Antonine and early Severan dynasties, barring medallions.  I like the big coins what can I say! Arthur Stein's Romische Reichsbeamte der Provinz Thracia (Sarajevo,1920) will answer your other questions.

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« Reply #35 on: November 18, 2011, 06:32:26 pm »

Here is another eques reverse from Thrace I added to my collection.

Commodus Hadrianopolis Caecilius Servilianus Imperator eques

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-73457

I was unable to find another rx die for this governor at Hadrianopolis which included the second kappa in the gens abbreviation KAIK

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« Reply #36 on: January 23, 2012, 09:36:03 pm »

Rescued from obscurity in Australia:

Serdica Septimius Severus T. Statilius Barbarus (196-98 AD) Tyche

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-75794


Varbanov (E)III 1966 (depicted) double die match; Ruzicka-; cf. Mushmov (1926) rx die match with different obv die (both depicted on Tafel VII) ; Hr/J 12.14.38.1 (depicted) double match- a very clear example; Mionnet -; BMC -; SNG Cop. -


This is the same obv die as CNG electronic auction 245 (1.12.10) Imperator eques

Varbanov misses the eta + gamma ligature on the rx

Coin illustrates the capitalized form of omega (inverted horseshoe).

On page 59 Mushmov (1926) records an example from the Sophia collection. He includes an interesting note regarding the blundered orthography of the magistrates’ cognomen Barbarus.  With the aid of my 60 year old Bulgarian-English dictionary (R. Russev) I puzzled out the following crude translation of Mushmov’s note regarding this rx die. The Bulgarian alphabet was reformed in the 1940’s making an accurate translation of this pre-reform work even more difficult!

“The inscription is wrong, both incorrect and incomplete in this strike.  …  abbreviation …  The emission of the first syllable (or after the first syllable) a double… slip of BAPOY instead of BAPBAPOY. However, the work of the portrait is both careful and fine.”

     This translation has several lacunae (perhaps someday I shall master enough Bulgarian to fill these voids in), but the basic sentiment of Mushmov is represented,  I am not sure if I agree regarding the level of artistry in the portraiture.  Although the quality of imperial portraiture on Thracian provincial coins is one of the primary factors that led me to be interested in collecting this series, in my own observations, the portraits of Septimius Severus for coins issued under Statilius Barbarus are inferior to those of the subsequent Severan governors of Thracia.  There appears to be more errors in the legends as well.  These are not characteristics isolated to this one city, but rather are apparent in virtually all the cities in this province.

     This coin is in my collection as an epigraphic witness, not as an example of the skill Thracian die engravers’ attempts at portraiture.  Indeed, refer rather to the Antonine examples from Philippopolis or Pautalia.  These coins compare favorably with those of Rome.  The engraver's mistake on this reverse die: ellision by emission.  The dies seem to be more skillfully and carefully executed during the tenures of the next two governors.  Serdican coins seems to have more errors than other cities in this region.

    Mushmov erroneously records HP in ligature for the rx die, he meant HΓ. I love the term Mushmov uses for ligature; ligatura , must be a loan word.

Image recycled from seller.


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« Reply #37 on: February 04, 2012, 02:14:25 pm »

The crusty collecting continues!

Pautalia Septimius Severus Caicina Largus (198-9AD) Eagle on globe

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-76406

For rx type  eagle on globe cf. Ruzicka p. 95 #280-2/ obverse die = Ruzicka #3 p. 93; BMC p. 143 #16 ; Varbanov (E) II 4637 (depicted) All have different legend breaks than this die, none inscribed circularly, none eagle head right

Varbanov’s depicted specimen from:  
Fritz Rudolf Künker GmbH & Co. KG Auction 97 (07.03.2005) lot 1592 17.8gr (different obv and rx)
attached from acoinsearch.info a most valuable resource!


My coin has Varbanov obv die Ka = Ruzicka #3. Varbanov does not record this obv die with this rx type.
N.B. Varbanov cropped the planchet shape from this auction image for his monograph
Shares obverse die with my unrecorded eagle on fulmen head right same governor

More challenging to collect them in this condition right?

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« Reply #38 on: March 19, 2012, 05:17:05 pm »

Here is the latest addition to my collection:

Pautalia Antoninus Pius Pompeius Vopiscus (160 AD?) Demeter on biga

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-78827

Came from Ukraine.

One specimen recorded in Ruzicka in the Sophia collection.  
Ruzicka referred to the following coin from Anchialus recorded in AMNG II p.219 #411(attached) for rev type.
Varbanov rates it R8 (for what that's worth!) The coin depicted in Ruzicka and Varbanov appears to be the same.

It does seem to be a rare reverse type.  An exciting new addition!
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« Reply #39 on: March 29, 2012, 04:56:39 pm »

Here is another interesting coin that arrived from Germany today.

Pautalia Septimius Severus Sicinnius Clarus (202 AD) Asklepios

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-79301

Nice obv, rough rev

Varbanov cites Mushmov (1912) 4153, but the coin depicted is an Asklepios from Tomis.

A common reverse type, I have two others already in my gallery. This is an obverse die match for this coin:

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-58221

This specimen is another example of obverse die sharing for the two successive Thracian governors, Caecina Largus (link supra) and Sicinnus Clarus (my new one).

The reverse die is unrecorded.

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« Reply #40 on: April 30, 2012, 03:38:52 pm »

An exciting and rare addition to my collection:

Philippopolis Septimius Severus Statilius Barbarus Temple

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-80893

Some acquisition notes:

Varbanov records this as his obv legend G, but this legend lacks the terminal pi (Π) that is clear in his depicted specimen.

There appears to be a die break at 8’ -9’cf the following obv.
I think this is my first example of this obverse die.

Varbanov cites the  O. Gavrailov collection.  From browsing Varbanov's volumes, I would love to see that collection in its entirety!
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« Reply #41 on: May 12, 2012, 10:15:32 pm »

A nice example:

Anchialus Septimius Severus Statilius Barbarus Asklepios and Hygieia

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-81513


In AMNG II, Strack records 10 different reverse types for coins issued when St. Barbarus was governor. Varbanov does not add much, only a few die variants.

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« Reply #42 on: June 01, 2012, 04:46:03 pm »

I've had my eye on this one for a while; finally took the plunge.

Philippopolis Septimius Severus St. Barbarus Dionysos on panther

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-82294

not a looker, but very rare

Mushmov cites one example in the National Museum at Sophia #120 with this obv die

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« Reply #43 on: July 11, 2012, 05:37:14 pm »

New arrival from Germany:

Lucius Verus Pautalia Asklepios  L. Pullaienus Gargilius Antiquus (161 AD)

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-84000

Ruzicka obverse die #5, most common.
Varbanov depicted specimen is  Lanz Auction 102 (28.05.2001) lot 643  

http://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/8837/?search&stype=quick&q=verus+pautalia&rno=2

The attached example is from the BMC collection in London 1927 10 16 6

My first Lucius Verus from Pautalia. In addition this is my first example of one of the co-emperors with this governor.

*Curtis Clay has brought to my attention the engraver's error of OYΠIAC instead of OYΛΠIAC, missed by Varbanov, Ruzicka and RPC  online. 

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« Reply #44 on: August 06, 2012, 03:46:06 pm »

I finally bought a hard copy of BMC Thrace for my numismatic library.  It is a Forni reprint that came from England.  I thought the manner in which it was shipped to me was pretty interesting.  This slim little book came in a burlap sack zip-tied shut!  I'm definitely keeping and reusing that bag; it's cool!
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« Reply #45 on: August 14, 2012, 09:08:48 pm »

new arrival from Germany:

Philippopolis Antoninus Pius Governor L. Pullaienus Gargilius Antiquus (161 AD) river-god Hebros

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-85828

There are many different dies of this type. I’m kind of lumping these attributions together for later consumption.

 http://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/7415/

Cf. Mushmov   Les Monnaies Antiques de Philippopolis (1924) 39-44; cf. Varbanov (E) III 667-8; 672-78 ) ; cf. SNG Cop. 768;  cf.BMC 5;  cf. Mionnet  Supp II 1438-44


Not the nicest example, but maybe some motivation for me to really study this type in the future. Different reverse die from my other two specimens.  I'm waiting for something more exciting to arrive in the mail.  I'll post it soon!

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« Reply #46 on: August 28, 2012, 08:14:44 pm »

Well I'm still waiting for that exciting coin, but I have added this coin to my collection in the meantime.

From sunny California:

Augusta Traiana Marcus Aurelius Q. Tullius Maximus (161-169 AD) Zeus enthroned


http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-86491

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some notes:

Schönert-Geiss obverse die #4, most common
RPC online Antonine temp #10329, Berlin museum cast of the Cahn specimen (1931 Antike Mϋnzen 742 p. 128); none in acsearch.com

Attached is the Berlin cast.

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« Reply #47 on: August 31, 2012, 07:22:53 pm »

I picked this beauty up at the post office the other day.

Hadrianopolis Commodus Governor Claudius Bellicus (176-80AD?) Farnese heracles

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-86605

My first example with this governor.   There appears to be only one obverse die for Bellicus, who is known only from the coins of Hadrianopolis issued for Commodus. Cf. Stein p. 32 and Jurukova 134 Plate X 102-4

The legend on this coin is very faint in spots, particularly on the obverse, but in hand it is possible to make it all out.

Recently another unpublished coin issued by this governor at Hadrianopolis was sold. Attached below

cf. reply #30 supra and N.B. Curtis Clay's post http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=38043.0

With this specimen and the recently sold CNG Dionysos there are now 5 reverse dies known(Ares, Asklepios, Emperor eques, Dionysos and Farnese Heracles).

I am very excited to add this coin to my collection. It may be the pick-up of the year, but the year is not over yet...

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« Reply #48 on: September 13, 2012, 08:29:26 pm »

I couldn't resist this coin, even in this state:

Philippopolis Septimius Severus St. Barbarus River-god

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-87244

A maddening coin with many remnants of letters on reverse, but what is extant is either barely legible or illegible.  I recognized the profile of this coin as being the very common obverse die issued at Philippopolis under Statilius Barbarus.

Harshly cleaned, with pitting on reverse.  I bought it as part of a lot; the rest junk.

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« Reply #49 on: September 22, 2012, 09:49:28 pm »

Another rough river-god from Philippopolis.

Philippopolis Commodus Governor Caecilius Servilianus (perhaps 186 AD; Stein) river-god

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-87537

part of a rough three coin lot.

Only specimen in Mushmov recorded from HMC (National Museum in Sophia) #5242.  Partial legend on that coin and this one with similar lacunae.

Not in RPC Antonine online or acsearch.

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