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Offline Brian L

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Why is my coin turning orange?
« on: September 02, 2009, 10:00:59 pm »
This is a scan of a coin I am treating with BD Killer.
This is happening to several other coins I am treating the same way.
I had soaked it for 3-4 days,scrubbing every 24 hrs.
There is still BD present and I am working on that but,
what going on with the orange,
is this typical with BD killer,scrubbing hasn't gotten rid of it,
has anybody seen this before,what should I do?
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Re: Why is my coin turning orange?
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2009, 09:33:47 am »
Once again Brian we have the same problem lol.
I don't know the exact answer but here is a topic on it.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=53193.0
All the best
Josh

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Re: Why is my coin turning orange?
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2009, 05:26:07 pm »
Looks like rust?

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Re: Why is my coin turning orange?
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2009, 06:46:01 pm »
Maybe Iron in the alloy?

Offline Brian L

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Re: Why is my coin turning orange?
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2009, 07:10:22 pm »
The coin aren't rusty,this same thing happened to several coins,
aside from the Bronze disease the coins color/patina were fine.
After the first boil they came out orange.
Would this happen if the coins were waxed,could this be the result of BD killer on toning?
I used distilled water.
I have seven coins being treated the same way all with the same results.
Not even varying degrees of orange.
I have been brushing them,and no change.
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Re: Why is my coin turning orange?
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2009, 07:22:36 pm »
Rust was the suggestion on the topic I posted. I think I got most of my orange stuff off with mechanical cleaning.
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Re: Why is my coin turning orange?
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2009, 05:11:26 am »
it just looks like bronze stripped bare to me, at least from the photo.

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Re: Why is my coin turning orange?
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2009, 03:05:15 am »
The same thing happened to me today as I was treating coins for BD. Only the coins with bare metal showing turned orange. It does look very similar to rust, so as others have said, I would lean towards the possibility of there being iron present in the bronze alloy that is oxidizing in the process of killing the bronze disease. BD treatment is bound to affect the patina color, but for bare metal coins, oxidation seems more likely an answer. It will retone over time, but watch out for recurring BD on bare metal. Some Dellars or Jax toner might do the trick.

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Re: Why is my coin turning orange?
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2009, 01:53:15 pm »
I purchased a few coins no too long ago that were in good shape, but in the dealer photos, had an orange shade to them. I thought that was odd, but the detail and price was such that I couldn't pass them up. When I actually received the coins, they were much darker than the photos, and looked a dark brown rather than the orange shade inf the pictures.At first, I thought it was just the lighting in the photographs, but examining them further, I could tell that the coins had been chemically repatinated. Still, with the detail on the coins and the very, very low price, I couldn't complain. Then, a few days ago, each one of these six coins broke out in spots of bronze disease. After treatment of the coins, they came out looking orange - just like the dealer photos. I'm thinking that these coins were treated before for bronze disease, causing the orange tint in the pictures, and then toned afterward. When I re-treated the coins, they turned back to their orange tint. My guess is that the sodium in the BD killing solution is speeding up the process of oxidation of any ferrous substance present in the alloy of the coin, causing the orange (and sometimes red, if there is enough iron present) color.

This in effect would be corrosion of the base metal of the coin, and I suppose that over treatment of a coin rich in iron could lead to pitting. But, considering the alternative... I would rather deal with that than the corrosive effects of HCl in bronze disease.

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Re: Why is my coin turning orange?
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2009, 09:39:04 pm »
BD treatment, especially the BD Killer, will remove artificial patinas, it does not bother true patinas. However, if the coin has been exposed to iron there may be something in surface coating that will react with the BD killer.

 If there are pockets of BD, you should use something like a sewing needle to remove as much of the green as possible, as it tends to form a water proof plug and the problem areas can't be treated by the soaking solution.

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Re: Why is my coin turning orange?
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2009, 09:48:12 pm »
Orange doesn't necessarily mean iron.

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Re: Why is my coin turning orange?
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2009, 02:19:18 am »
Orange doesn't necessarily mean iron.

I'm not in disagreement with your statement, but do you have any other theories or ideas of what it could be if it's not ferrous oxide that we see?

 

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