Help for a magistrate of Teos/Ionia

[Jochen]

Hi!

Looking at one of my coins I see that I haven't yet determined the issueing magistrate. The legend is EPI EG ANAK THIWN. For Lebedus, a city near Teos, in Muensterberg is listed a magistrate ANAK[...]. Possibly the same for Teos? And the title of the magistrate is according to Sear strategos. So I wonder what should be EG? Perhaps epistrategos for the third time?

Any help highly appreciated!

Best regards

[archivum]

Isegrim notes an obverse legend ANAKREWN THIWN, and Anakreon is after all a Teos local hero *; the last part of your legend may be a short form to identify who is depicted instead of a magistrate's name.  I have no idea what to make of the rest, though!

 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anacreon

[Jochen]

Thanks! That is possible. Then EG should be the beginning of the magistrate's name.

Best regards

[larry c]

Very good index of Magisterial Titles, Offices, Etc., and Honorary Distinctions
at snible.org. Hope it helps, Larry

http://www.snible.org/coins/hn/inscriptions5.html

[Jochen]

Hi Larry!

Thanks. But it doesn't help because a magistrate named EG. is not listed.

Best regards

[archivum]

Other Teos signed coins all have EPI ST[R], so it's odd that the title's omitted on yours; but your coin sounds unusual in more ways than one.

[Jochen]

Not to discuss in an empty space, here is the coin in question.

Best regards

[Akropolis]

Hi!

EPI EG ANAK THIWN. For Lebedus, a city near Teos, in Muensterberg is listed a magistrate ANAK[...]. Possibly the same for Teos? And the title of the magistrate is according to Sear strategos. So I wonder what should be EG? Perhaps epistrategos for the third time?

I read ΑΛΑΚ, not ANAK.

Still, B. V. Head cites, for Teos, Anacreon standing, holding lyre and Anacreon seated. That fits the reverse image. So it must have been a die flaw.

PeteB

[tacrolimus]

I agree.
A fragment of BMC.

Luigi

[Jochen]

Yes, that could be! And could it be EP GEG ALAK?

Best regards

[archivum]

OK, here's the Isegrim entry for your coin-type:

[Edit 07/13/09 -- Now see also https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=49390.msg340229#msg340229.]     

PRO: IONIA
PO : TEOS
PZ : Between -30 and 276 
BNG: GEGAL..K
 Obverse
VT : HEAD MAN R / POSEIDON
VA : TRIDENT / WITH / DOLPHIN
 Reverse
RSG: EP GEGAL .. K THIW
RT : MAN SITTING R(1) / ANAKREON(1) / ON / THRONE <?>
RA : LYRE(1)
 Technical details
M  : AE
GR : 20.32(1)
 Bibliographical references
ZIT: BMC 14 S317,59(1)
 Additional remarks
FR : RS: EP GEGAL(?)..K THIW 

As Pete points out, ALAK must be a die-cutter's error for ANAK (shortened legend EP GEG ANAK THIWN), so the Isegrim (and BMC) entry mishandles the magistrate's name; we have just GEG, not GEGAL; and the coin still omits the ST[R], standard on other Teos issues.

[Jochen]

Thanks Tacrolimus and Archivum, and all others! And for the unvaluable help of Isegrim. Hope that it will stay forever!

Best regards

[Akropolis]

I have a possible candidate for RPC IV online. It is pictured below.
Here is what I "think" I know about the coin:

Teos, Ionia Æ 25:

Obv: TEΩC, on right. Bust of young Dionysos facing r., turreted and with filleted thrysos over his shoulder. I cannot make out all these details on this coin, which I took from other coins of TEOS in BMC, Ionia, but I think they apply to this coin.

Rev: CTP ACKΛHΠIAΔOY. Anakreon seated r., playing lyre.

It is not listed in BMC, von Aulock, or SNG Copenhagen.

However, I find this magistrate listed in Meunsterberg for Teos, Ionia, serving under both Antoninus Pius and Marcus Aurelius. More specifically, Suisse III 238 for Antoninus Pius and Suisse III 239 for Marcus Aurelius.

If anyone has this reference, I would appreciate knowing if the coin below is listed in Suisse III, perhaps in a general category such as "Imperial Coinage," (e.g., coins of the period of the Antonines which do not depict a bust of an emperor), or better still, if it is assigned to the period of AP and/or MA.....and its catalog number.

PeteB

 

[curtislclay]

That's Revue suisse de numismatique XIII, reprinted in Imhoof-Blumer, Zur gr. u. röm. Münzkunde, 1908, pp. 78-79.

The two coins, nos. 8 and 9, are an AE 32 of Pius and an AE 29 of Marcus Caesar, both naming the magistrate CTP ACKLHPIADOV.

[Akropolis]

THANKS, Curtis!
I guess my coin is not listed/shown there.
"That's Revue suisse de numismatique XIII."
Hmmm. Meunsterberg wrote "Suisse III."
PeteB

[curtislclay]

No, Münsterberg wrote "Rev. Suisse XIII", p. 107 in the reprint. Either you or your source apparently reduced that to "Suisse III".

[Akropolis]

"No, Münsterberg wrote "Rev. Suisse XIII"
Curtis:
You are correct (as usual). I am getting old and blind!
THANKS!
PeteB