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« Reply #600 on: September 22, 2018, 10:47:18 pm »

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Phoenicia, Tyre. ‘Uzzimilk. Ca. 347-332 B.C. AR shekel (18 mm, 8.25 g, 3 h). RY 3 (347/6 B.C.). Melqart riding hippocamp right, above waves and dolphin / Owl standing left, head facing, crook and flail over shoulder. Cf. HGC 10, 349. Rare with owl facing to left. Surfaces smoothed. Very fine.

Now that's what I call 'aggressive smoothing' on the reverse!
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« Reply #601 on: October 07, 2018, 03:33:31 am »

Hi folks,

There is an ancient coin [REMOVED BY ADMIN] In that auction, there is a Campania, Hyria coin for sale. It caught my attention for 2 reasons. First, the dealers used a photo of that coin in their bulk email announcing the auction. Second, I specialize in collecting Magna Graecia, Campania coins. That coin was issued in Hyria, which is believed to have merged with Nola, which is very close to my maternal grandparents' home town (Maddaloni).

When I visited their website, I immediately clicked on that coin and enlarged the photo. What I saw was frightening. The obverse portrait was clearly severely and horribly tooled. It looks odd. It does not match any known examples of that issue. It has numerous scrape marks and cuts. Also, the obverse portrait and hair are smooth, but the entire rest of the coin has porosity. It is a shame that someone ruined what could have been a beautiful Campania coin.

The text description for that coin did not state that the coin was tooled.

I emailed Nick Molinari for confirmation. He confirmed my suspicion.

So, I emailed the dealer and informed him of my thoughts regarding this coin. I also advised him that the ethical thing to do would be for him to disclose this fact in the text description.

He responded immediately. Apparently, he was totally unaware of the horrible tooling. I seem to have caught him off guard. After all, as I mentioned above, he used a photo of that coin in the email announcing the auction.

He thanked me for providing that information. Within a span of less than 48 hours, he modified the auction text description to state "tooled obverse". I was pleasantly surprised that he added that phrase in a timely manner. He did the ethical thing, and he should be commended for that.

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« Reply #602 on: October 11, 2018, 12:35:45 pm »

heavily smoothed and tooled with the fourth soldier on the reverse having been removed
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« Reply #603 on: November 18, 2018, 02:48:34 pm »

 Molto rara - Leggeri ritocchi, ma di buona qualità generale

in my eyes.
obverse
legend different in style.
bust/ noose tooled

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« Reply #604 on: November 18, 2018, 03:36:38 pm »

More tooling that that--hair and beard on the obverse, virtually all the drapery on the reverse, and the fields smoothed.  Damn shame!
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« Reply #605 on: November 19, 2018, 06:25:21 am »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-jytIyB05s

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« Reply #606 on: November 21, 2018, 11:30:33 am »

 leicht bearbeitet, sonst gutes sehr schön
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« Reply #607 on: December 01, 2018, 12:27:47 pm »

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« Reply #608 on: December 01, 2018, 12:30:43 pm »

Antinous

its tooled on legend H into E, so probably the lips are also tooled auction house did not note it.
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« Reply #609 on: December 02, 2018, 07:35:06 am »

Is it just me or is this tooled, particularly the reverse (look at those rowers)? The description mentions only 'a few cleaning marks'.

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« Reply #610 on: December 02, 2018, 07:43:29 am »

Is it just me or is this tooled, particularly the reverse (look at those rowers)? The description mentions only 'a few cleaning marks'.

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« Reply #611 on: December 02, 2018, 07:59:36 am »

It's very unfortunate that somebody tried to "improve" that Hadrian coin, but ended-up decreasing its appeal and probably decreasing its value (it is/was an incredibly cool coin)

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« Reply #612 on: December 03, 2018, 06:03:10 am »

Quote from: okidoki on December 02, 2018, 07:43:29 am

Thanks for the link! So it continues to be sold without a correct description....

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« Reply #613 on: March 17, 2019, 12:34:54 pm »

Make it sticky?
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« Reply #614 on: April 24, 2019, 11:00:54 am »

Hadrian, 117-138 A.D.
As (134-138 A.D.), Rome
Obv.: Head to the right
HADRIANVS - AVG COS III P P
Rev.: Mauretania walking right, facing left, leading a horse
MAVRETANIA - S C


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« Reply #615 on: April 24, 2019, 02:08:53 pm »

This poor Hadrian looks as if it were tooled with a screw driver.  I wonder whether the original reverse was an entirely different type.
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